Ruger Security-9

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MachIVshooter said:
Another Ruger product that I couldn't possibly be less interested in. Par for the course these days. It's like an even more unsightly version of the RP9 with styling cues from the equally hideous Five-seveN. It's as though a bunch of manufacturers suddenly decided they couldn't allow Glocks to be the ugliest pistols anymore. I don't get it.
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What would you be interested in? They still make a ton of other products. They have a varied and growing catalog of 1911s and a good assortment of rifles both bolt & semi. Really the only thing they seem to lack is a pump or auto shotgun.
 
What I don't understand is yes, it looks like a beefed up LCPll, Now like it or not there has been and there are many that find the trigger unsafe. Many old Timers, that have had LCP's for years. I have had Four of them. Know the gun well. I also find the gun unsafe, will not buy one nor carry one. JMO. But where the contradiction comes in, is the fact that this gun will have the same trigger but with a "thumb Safety". If Ruger felt the LCP ll safe, then why waste the money on a safety? How much will both these guns cost after they roll out and have been out for a while. Selling now for around $209 so like the LCPll which was around $325 is now around $210.00 and free shipping. Let's see if they go for around $125-$150 down the road.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
What I don't understand is yes, it looks like a beefed up LCPll, Now like it or not there has been and there are many that find the trigger unsafe. Many old Timers, that have had LCP's for years. I have had Four of them. Know the gun well. I also find the gun unsafe, will not buy one nor carry one.
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What makes the LCP II unsafe?

Granted, the trigger weight is lighter than it needs to be since the gun is a belly gun and not a target gun. But trigger and sights was a continual complaint regarding the LCP.
 
Many are concerned about safely carrying the LCP II because it does not have a firing pin block to prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin. Almost all modern gun designs have a firing pin block. The LCP does have a half cock notch that Ruger says will stop the hammer if it slips off the sear.
 
MAKster said:
Many are concerned about safely carrying the LCP II because it does not have a firing pin block to prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin. Almost all modern gun designs have a firing pin block. The LCP does have a half cock notch that Ruger says will stop the hammer if it slips off the sear.
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Does the pistol need a firing pin block? Or does it take a different approach to firing pin safety as do Springfield 1911s?
 
USBP379 said:
What would you be interested in? They still make a ton of other products. They have a varied and growing catalog of 1911s and a good assortment of rifles both bolt & semi. Really the only thing they seem to lack is a pump or auto shotgun.
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Everything Ruger makes either doesn't interest me or somebody else does it better. Mediocrity is their business model, always has been.
 
MachIVshooter said:
Another Ruger product that I couldn't possibly be less interested in. Par for the course these days. It's like an even more unsightly version of the RP9 with styling cues from the equally hideous Five-seveN. It's as though a bunch of manufacturers suddenly decided they couldn't allow Glocks to be the ugliest pistols anymore. I don't get it.
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You've got a point. Scrub the makers' marks off of the Sig 320, RP9, FN 509, Berretta APX, or Ruger American pistol and I would have a hard time telling them apart. Or judging which ones ugliest.
Granted, all of these were designed with an eye to the US pistol contract and so follow similar design ethos- but talk about boring.......
At least the R51 has character, if nothing else, going for it.:cool:
 
I have always been a fan of the Rugers, I own a number of them, and they all have been great guns. (Not a fan of the LCP's, a cheap gun IMO). Just bought a new Revolver which is on the way. I think I will keep the one's I have, but ready to move on away from Ruger Semi-auto's. The idea of just going cheap and cheaper does not feel right, something smells. And I cannot even imagine a 9mm gun designed after the LCPll. It certainly would not be a pistol I would put a lot of stock into for high volume shooting.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I have always been a fan of the Rugers, I own a number of them, and they all have been great guns. (Not a fan of the LCP's, a cheap gun IMO). Just bought a new Revolver which is on the way. I think I will keep the one's I have, but ready to move on away from Ruger Semi-auto's. The idea of just going cheap and cheaper does not feel right, something smells. And I cannot even imagine a 9mm gun designed after the LCPll. It certainly would not be a pistol I would put a lot of stock into for high volume shooting.
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Cheap guns that work is the way of the future. Not the other way around. If a company expects to have a government or law enforcement contract they need to have cheap guns that work. Look at the P320. The Army is supposedly paying $207 per pistol.

Also, this new Security 9 is rated to handle +P ammo. I'm thinking a diet of standard pressure stuff will mean the gun will last the average consumer several lifetimes.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
What I don't understand is yes, it looks like a beefed up LCPll, Now like it or not there has been and there are many that find the trigger unsafe. Many old Timers, that have had LCP's for years. I have had Four of them. Know the gun well. I also find the gun unsafe, will not buy one nor carry one. JMO. But where the contradiction comes in, is the fact that this gun will have the same trigger but with a "thumb Safety". If Ruger felt the LCP ll safe, then why waste the money on a safety? How much will both these guns cost after they roll out and have been out for a while. Selling now for around $209 so like the LCPll which was around $325 is now around $210.00 and free shipping. Let's see if they go for around $125-$150 down the road.
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I heard all those stories about how unsafe the Ruger LCP was, or was that the SigP320?;)
 
USBP379 said:
Cheap guns that work is the way of the future.
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Trying hard to remember if I ever heard anyone say, "I wish this gun (substitute any other product, if you wish) cost more!" Can't count the times in 35 years of business I wished for a perfectly good widget at a lower price.
Yeah, there's a tiny core of buying public that's likes to brag about how much they paid for those widgets, but that's a hard niche to target.

Ruger appears to know what they're doing, both in sales and support.
 
TarDevil said:
Trying hard to remember if I ever heard anyone say, "I wish this gun (substitute any other product, if you wish) cost more!" Can't count the times in 35 years of business I wished for a perfectly good widget at a lower price.
Yeah, there's a tiny core of buying public that's likes to brag about how much they paid for those widgets, but that's a hard niche to target.

Ruger appears to know what they're doing, both in sales and support.
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I find the whole marketing of this approach to be very interesting. Is there a glut on the standard models and they have to move product fast? Not lay off workers? Is the LC9S going to be phased out, or a newer model with different features coming out? For instance a modular design, all stainless steel etc. In most cases, (not all), you get what you paid for. Sometimes it cost more to go cheap. Like the old saying "Only a Rich man can afford to go cheap, and he doesn't.
Another question arises is and I will say again, The Perception of cost vs quality. If prices drop from the initial low cost or cheap price now, and say the Economy Model sells for around $100-$125, then will Ruger be known as the place to buy a cheap gun? Will a cheap gun also become a "Saturday Night Special? If so would this hurt the industry, by putting more cheap guns on the street.
As I said. I am just speculating and just find this whole new approach interesting. It will also be interesting to see how other manufacturers respond. Will Sig now start selling a economy 238? I doubt it.

By the way, in regards to the LCPll and the debate over the trigger as safe or unsafe, I find it interesting that Ruger still manufacturers the LCP Gen 2 at a plant in North Carolina. And can be bought for $169.00 with free shipping. There had to be a reason they did not discontinue that Pistol. And I do not think it was because it is just cheaper. IMO a better gun and a better value than the LCP ll. And much safer to carry. JMO
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I find the whole marketing of this approach to be very interesting. Is there a glut on the standard models and they have to move product fast? Not lay off workers? Is the LC9S going to be phased out, or a newer model with different features coming out? For instance a modular design, all stainless steel etc. In most cases, (not all), you get what you paid for. Sometimes it cost more to go cheap. Like the old saying "Only a Rich man can afford to go cheap, and he doesn't.
Another question arises is and I will say again, The Perception of cost vs quality. If prices drop from the initial low cost or cheap price now, and say the Economy Model sells for around $100-$125, then will Ruger be known as the place to buy a cheap gun? Will a cheap gun also become a "Saturday Night Special? If so would this hurt the industry, by putting more cheap guns on the street.
As I said. I am just speculating and just find this whole new approach interesting. It will also be interesting to see how other manufacturers respond. Will Sig now start selling a economy 238? I doubt it.

By the way, in regards to the LCPll and the debate over the trigger as safe or unsafe, I find it interesting that Ruger still manufacturers the LCP Gen 2 at a plant in North Carolina. And can be bought for $169.00 with free shipping. There had to be a reason they did not discontinue that Pistol. And I do not think it was because it is just cheaper. IMO a better gun and a better value than the LCP ll. And much safer to carry. JMO
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I don't know of the LC9s being phased out, but...
https://ruger.com/products/ec9s/models.html
About $100 cheaper than the LC9s.

And I doubt Ruger compares themselves to Sig.

As for the LCPII trigger, I'm still waiting for someone to show me an incedent that has happened. Everything else seems to be just opinions.
Is it suppose to fire by itself? No finger on the trigger?

BTW, I have the LCP, and am accustom to the trigger pull.
 
kcofohio said:
I don't know of the LC9s being phased out, but...
https://ruger.com/products/ec9s/models.html
About $100 cheaper than the LC9s.

And I doubt Ruger compares themselves to Sig.

As for the LCPII trigger, I'm still waiting for someone to show me an incedent that has happened. Everything else seems to be just opinions.
Is it suppose to fire by itself? No finger on the trigger?

BTW, I have the LCP, and am accustom to the trigger pull.
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If you are waiting for for a specific incident, then you might be waiting a long time. Most are not reported and when they do, they do not mention what manufacturer made the weapon. My town is a perfect example, the local range had a guy shoot himself in the leg recently. Never reported what kind of gun. Another incident recently was a woman that shot her child while getting into the car, and a guy that son his son at home again they never reported what gun it was.
I would suggest you not worry about what is reported as a incident and just go rent one to find out for yourself. I owned 4 lcp's, the very first series, and the Gen2's. I went to the range and rented the LCPll and made my decision that there was no way I would carry that gun. But that decision is up to you. And your decision should be respected.

Your comment "And I doubt Ruger compares themselves to Sig." is fair. And I doubt Sig compares themselves to Ruger.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
I find the whole marketing of this approach to be very interesting. Is there a glut on the standard models and they have to move product fast? Not lay off workers? Is the LC9S going to be phased out, or a newer model with different features coming out? For instance a modular design, all stainless steel etc. In most cases, (not all), you get what you paid for. Sometimes it cost more to go cheap. Like the old saying "Only a Rich man can afford to go cheap, and he doesn't.
Another question arises is and I will say again, The Perception of cost vs quality. If prices drop from the initial low cost or cheap price now, and say the Economy Model sells for around $100-$125, then will Ruger be known as the place to buy a cheap gun? Will a cheap gun also become a "Saturday Night Special? If so would this hurt the industry, by putting more cheap guns on the street.
As I said. I am just speculating and just find this whole new approach interesting. It will also be interesting to see how other manufacturers respond. Will Sig now start selling a economy 238? I doubt it.

By the way, in regards to the LCPll and the debate over the trigger as safe or unsafe, I find it interesting that Ruger still manufacturers the LCP Gen 2 at a plant in North Carolina. And can be bought for $169.00 with free shipping. There had to be a reason they did not discontinue that Pistol. And I do not think it was because it is just cheaper. IMO a better gun and a better value than the LCP ll. And much safer to carry. JMO
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So you're mad at Ruger because they've lowered prices on some models and the Security 9 is inexpensive?
 
Jeb Stuart said:
...owned 4 lcp's, the very first series, and the Gen2's. I went to the range and rented the LCPll and made my decision that there was no way I would carry that gun.
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You've owned four LCP's and then decided you didn't like them? I can see buying one and then selling it and maybe buying another later for a 2nd opinion. But four?
 
Jeb Stuart said:
If you are waiting for for a specific incident, then you might be waiting a long time. Most are not reported and when they do, they do not mention what manufacturer made the weapon. My town is a perfect example, the local range had a guy shoot himself in the leg recently. Never reported what kind of gun. Another incident recently was a woman that shot her child while getting into the car, and a guy that son his son at home again they never reported what gun it was.
I would suggest you not worry about what is reported as a incident and just go rent one to find out for yourself. I owned 4 lcp's, the very first series, and the Gen2's. I went to the range and rented the LCPll and made my decision that there was no way I would carry that gun. But that decision is up to you. And your decision should be respected.

Your comment "And I doubt Ruger compares themselves to Sig." is fair. And I doubt Sig compares themselves to Ruger.
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Nope, not looking for any certain incedent. Well that was until I started reading this thread. But it has me wondering why the talk of unsafe trigger. I mean, any trigger can be rendered unsafe by personal acts with a finger or uncovered trigger in pocket or...
Will the hammer fall without a human act? Just curious..
 
"Quote. You've owned four LCP's and then decided you didn't like them? I can see buying one and then selling it and maybe buying another later for a 2nd opinion. But four?

Yep, When I first started shooting the LCP or Pocket gun, there really was not much out there.Basically the Keltec which in my opinion is a LCP, the Taurus and of course the Sig. Loved the Sig when shooting, always wanted one, but it was pricey and I spent more time training than focusing on other guns. I was a lousy shooter at first. I mean really bad at shooting them. But they became a challenge and I invested a whole lot of money and time shooting them. My personal view was that if you are going to carry it, then you owe it to yourself to get proficient with it. The more I shot pocket guns the more I became addicted. The LCP's I discovered were not well built to hold up to the 380 cartridge. I had cracks, rail spits, broken down take down pins, guns sent in for repair, guns replaced. When the LCPll was on the verge of coming out, I had high hopes that Ruger would do a lot with the gun. I was hoping for a real solid long lasting build quality, mild shooting. And I did not like the trigger at all. My Opinion and again I say My Opinion, was that Ruger really dropped the ball. They could have done so much better.
It was at this time I moved on to another product. One which I believe to be the best Pocket gun out there. Again just my preference, it is my money, spent on ammo and my time so I will do what I think is best for me.

I had good times with the LCP's, (Still own one).
Pro's--they would shoot just about any ammo I would feed them.
Never had a problem with a extractor or most of the components in the receiver. like springs etc.
Nothing beats Ruger Customer Service. I have to say they always took great care of me.

I am a Ruger Fan. Love the SR9C which I have owned for years and put thousands or rounds down range, same with the LC9s which I also had the original. Tons of ammo through them. I love my Blackhawk Convertible. That gun looks and feels like it would last 100,000 rounds lol. And one of my favorite shooters which I am addicted to is the Ruger LCR9mm. I get excited every time I think about shooting it. Just ordered the LCR22 which should arrive tomorrow.
Yep a Ruger Fan for sure.

PS I also took really good care of my LCP's. I would order many recoil springs in advance and change them out about every 500 rounds. I bought a Stainless steel guide rod and would order exta take down pins. Alway's changing them out on a regular basis. I bought into the Wolf Springs early on and quickly decided they were not meant for the gun. Instead use the factory and just change them out.
I also started off using the Hogue grips. Later, I took them off and started shooting with the gun stock and realized Ruger had done well in the design and the gun was not meant for the bigger grip. I shot the gun much better without the grip and Ruger did a excellent job of the Stipling. A really great grip.
I always advise to change out the recoil springs early. The gun gets sloppy if you do not and much better for longer lasting. And I still think the LCP Gen 2 is a much better made firearm. For me, not just the trigger, but the gun handles better. And at $169.00 is a great value.
 
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I don't really understand the negativity of this new offering. To me, it's more of a 'budget' or smaller/lighter American, not so much a beefed up LC. The only LC comparison is trigger. Seems like the American really didn't go like Ruger thought/hoped. A big complaint was the size and weight. I think this gun fits well and I don't think it will be replacing any other series (LC or SR).

I think the majority of new gun owners are looking for a more budget offering. Reliability in a night stand gun that will go to the range on occasion. Ruger's target market isn't a current owner of a high quality polymer gun.
 
USBP379 said:
Here's something that mentions the LCP II's internal safety features.

https://www.policeone.com/police-pr...cops-need-to-know-about-the-new-Ruger-LCP-II/
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I hadn't read that, but they mentioned what I had read somewhere else;
From a safety standpoint, the LCP II lacks any type of passive firing pin safety. The pistol’s hammer and sear engagement is very robust when fully cocked, negating the need for an internal firing pin block. Just to be safe, Ruger engineers did add a second sear engagement point on the hammer (similar to the half-cock position on a 1911) that will catch the hammer in case the sear receives a sufficient shock that might jar the hammer loose. In factory testing, Ruger found the primary sear engagement was so good that the sear actually had to be machined away in order to test the secondary engagement./QUOTE]
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