The striker fired product is mature and the process inexpensive compared to hammer guns (so no, Sig probably won't offer an economy 238). Just as I experienced as an airline veteran, when the new kids on the block know they can sell seats below the competition and make a profit, an industry paradigm shift occurs. Naturally, frills such as adjustable/night sights etc. will support higher cost models but I can't see anything but downward price pressure on all striker fired models.
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Jeb Stuart
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Your quote:So you're mad at Ruger because they've lowered prices on some models and the Security 9 is inexpensive?
Lol, No, not mad. Really don't care. I just won't be buying one. You can have my share. Enjoy.
Lol, No, not mad. Really don't care. I just won't be buying one. You can have my share. Enjoy.
Not trying to beat you up, but I can't resist a variation on USBP379's question:
You bought four LCP's that gave you all those issues?
I'm confused. I can't really tell if you like Ruger or not
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helitack32f1
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This is either an attempt to troll or quite possibly the dumbest post in history.
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You bought four LCP's that gave you all those issues?
I'm confused. I can't really tell if you like Ruger or not
I do like Rugers and Plan to keep what I have. I most likely will move on to other semi auto's like I did with the LCP's. However, I have a long list of Ruger's revolvers I would like to own. And I never say never. If Ruger ever decides to build a great quality Pocket gun, then I would be very interested. Don't think that is going to happen. I am quite content in my pocket gun selection. Most likely will Purchase a Kahr CW9mm, or a Beretta Nano possibly down the road. Maybe a Sig or Kimber small 9mm.
I did not buy four LCP's I bought two, others were replaced by Ruger because of so many failures. I bought the first model and the Gen 2. And once again, I left the LCP desire when the LCPll came out. I still own a LCP, just retired it, and never shoot it.
Actually all worked out for the best. I am a very happy camper now.
Ruger built a tank in the LCR's. I hope Ruger continues to build top quality tank like "builds". As I said, I have a LCR22 due to arrive tomorrow. Sorry if I confused you.
You bought four LCP's that gave you all those issues?
I'm confused. I can't really tell if you like Ruger or not
I do like Rugers and Plan to keep what I have. I most likely will move on to other semi auto's like I did with the LCP's. However, I have a long list of Ruger's revolvers I would like to own. And I never say never. If Ruger ever decides to build a great quality Pocket gun, then I would be very interested. Don't think that is going to happen. I am quite content in my pocket gun selection. Most likely will Purchase a Kahr CW9mm, or a Beretta Nano possibly down the road. Maybe a Sig or Kimber small 9mm.
I did not buy four LCP's I bought two, others were replaced by Ruger because of so many failures. I bought the first model and the Gen 2. And once again, I left the LCP desire when the LCPll came out. I still own a LCP, just retired it, and never shoot it.
Actually all worked out for the best. I am a very happy camper now.
Ruger built a tank in the LCR's. I hope Ruger continues to build top quality tank like "builds". As I said, I have a LCR22 due to arrive tomorrow. Sorry if I confused you.
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I see on page 16 it says, "For maximum safety when carrying the pistol with a loaded magazine in place, the chamber should be empty, and the slide should be closed." Bold and italics added. It's well stated because it's the truth for any gun, but leaves the user the option of having "good" safety without "maximum" safety.
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Perhaps some of their customers are interested in the function of the firearm other than displaying them in a glass case.
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The question answers itself, doesn't it? Ruger is in the business of making guns that people will buy. A dollar from the most pig-headed and ignorant is the same dollar. If safety is what makes the already safe gun safe in their minds, then safety it is.
I used to work for a company that made a product X of unorthodox design. It was much cheaper and better performing than competing products. Still, a number of large customers insisted on traditional product. So, we sold product Y too. So, once upon a time, I remarked on an internal e-mail that "Product Y: in this company, we cater to idiots with deep pockets". Almost got fired. I was much younger back then and did not understand enough that some things are not said. Hopefully no Ruger engineer made a remark about that safety in writing
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The question answers itself, doesn't it? Ruger is in the business of making guns that people will buy. A dollar from the most pig-headed and ignorant is the same dollar. If safety is what makes the already safe gun safe in their minds, then safety it is.
I used to work for a company that made a product X of unorthodox design. It was much cheaper and better performing than competing products. Still, a number of large customers insisted on traditional product. So, we sold product Y too. So, once upon a time, I remarked on an internal e-mail that "Product Y: in this company, we cater to idiots with deep pockets". Almost got fired. I was much younger back then and did not understand enough that some things are not said. Hopefully no Ruger engineer made a remark about that safety in writing
As they say, "It all comes down to the money". As far as what is safe really comes down to the owner. Do not care for a safety and feel "a light Crisp trigger" is safe and does not need a safety then buy it. Don't feel the gun is safe, then don't buy it. Feel safe in a car without a seat belt, then don't wear one, Feel unsafe, then wear it. We all have to make our choices in life.
As far as this model being built like the LCP, then I would really wait to see how it performs in the long run.Personally I would not be a candidate for purchaseing or owning one. Will this gun be able to handle a lot of ammo down range? It is aluminum construction on the chassis. Has Ruger reinforced the chassis with steel inserts? Normally you pay for what you get. Ruger already makes some guns with Proven platforms for longevity, the LCP's were not made solid enough for a lot of ammo down range. Is this a gun built for those that do not plan to shoot often? If so then Maybe this is the gun for them. Shoot a lot, then maybe spend a little more money and get the American or other Rugers.
Right now the gun is selling for around $289. So down the road for maybe under $200.00.Good deal? For whom?
Now the Economy LC9S now selling for around $200 has a proven track Record for a lot of rounds down range. I know, have owned them since they came out. A fine gun for sure. If this model without sights drops to around $125.00 then it will be one hell of a great deal and I will purchase one to go along with my Present LC9S (mounted with Night Sights) Especially since I own at least a dozen magazines already.
It will be interesting to see how well this gun performs down the road and see how much more price drops. "It all comes down to the money"
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Hangingrock
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Not meant to be rude and or condescending but four pages of commentary concerning a handgun that no one has actually handled and fired in person.
MachIVshooter
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Do you know what a false dichotomy is?
Jeb Stuart
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Actually the gun is out. Just not any or many reviews. The gun from what I have read will be based with similarities to the LCP ll at least the trigger. Commenting on future sales of guns is not uncommon. Shot show coming up and you will see a lot of comments on various guns. The Taurus Spectrum comes to mind. Probably set a record of comments before it hit the shelves (Not sure it has).
Zendude
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I think Ruger considers their main competitor to be S&W. Ruger's new revolvers seems to be an attempt to beat S&W in the revolver business. Likewise, the Security 9 looks like it's Ruger's answer to the SD9 series.
Jeb Stuart
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I almost get the impression that Ruger has two distinct divisions. Revolvers and Semi-auto's. Each with there own Philosophies on quality, durability, and tradition. Almost like separate companies. Just some thoughts.
gc70
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Ruger must be using designs for existing guns, unless the SR1911, AR-556, and Mini-14 are "original" Ruger designs.
I agree that this is to compete with the SD9VE from S&W. Same size, capacity and weight and Ruger will sell theirs for less
Jeb Stuart
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Personally I really like the Bersa Pro
https://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/11/gun-review-the-bersa-thunder-pro-ultra-compact-in-9mm/
I'd be curious how it does for you.
johnmcl
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Isn't this truly the Golden Age of Guns? Who would ever have thought that we would see at $350, a 9mm defensive semi-auto from Ruger?
And I will bet that it makes the same size holes in paper as Nighthawk's $3K BHP.
And I will bet that it makes the same size holes in paper as Nighthawk's $3K BHP.
Garandimal
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Won't be a test pilot, as the slot is already filled.
But if they prove to be reliable, service accurate w/ a decent trigger, and < $300?
Could end up bein' stocking-stuffers.
GR
But if they prove to be reliable, service accurate w/ a decent trigger, and < $300?
Could end up bein' stocking-stuffers.
GR
Panzerschwein
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Looks like a good handgun to arm local defense force with for low intensity conflicts.
Jeb Stuart
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I think the New Ruger E nine, which is the same as the LC9S but with fixed sights, would be a better buy. I love the LC9S and they make great carry guns. Great point and shoot at 15 yds. You could have it for home defense or CCW. Besides selling at a Price of $209 out the door, and the street price to go much lower would be a nice low cost firearm that would be very versatile.
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I think I’m going to buy one for just hell of it. It would keep me from buying a Glock Gen 5, for a month or two.
Then when when people talk about how good or bad the Security 9 is, without ever shooting one, I could give them firsthand knowledge.
I have already ask the owner at my LGS to get my one. If I don’t like it, I could sell it or just put in the back of the gun safe.
Then when when people talk about how good or bad the Security 9 is, without ever shooting one, I could give them firsthand knowledge.
I have already ask the owner at my LGS to get my one. If I don’t like it, I could sell it or just put in the back of the gun safe.
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