Ruger Wrangler ($176.00) vs. Ruger 5435 LCRx ($470.00)

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CraigC said:
Price gouging is a liberal concept. Borne out of a complete lack of understanding or respect for a free market economy. In this context, it just makes you come off as a Ruger hater.
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There were quite a few very un-liberal people here just a few years ago using that term re: .22 ammo, AR's, and magazines. Funny how things change.

The other thing I find funny is how a new SA model by Ruger has caused so much consternation and name calling here, some very un-High Road.

Every thread involving the Wrangler seems full of it, mostly the same pugnacious people each time.
 
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Jeb Stuart said:
If I were to choose one product that was gouging, it would be the Ruger LCP ll. $256.00 current price at Buds. 10oz Pistol, with a aluminum frame. Why is that gun's cost more than a Wrangler? Is the Wrangler a cheaper made gun than the LCP? A whopping $75.00?
I guess from Ruger prices alone, we can assume the quality of a Wrangler is not even the quality of a LCP. And the cheap little LCP does not even have a set of sights.
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The LCP II was designed around having a last round hold open, different trigger, grip frame... the gun was almost an entire overhaul compared to the LCP. I don't think the price difference of the LCP II and the Wrangler is an appropriate comparison, the reason the LCP II costs a lot more is because it's better than the LCP and Ruger wants us to pay for that better. The Wrangler is competing with Heritage, so Ruger wanted the street price to be $200 or less.
 
460Shooter said:
Charging competitive prices for a market item that has a good demand is not gouging. It's making a profit. Which a company needs to do to stay in business. If you view that as gouging then I recommend you never buy anything ever again because you are being gouged on everything. You fail to acknowledge this.

And I'm sorry but the LCR, regardless of it's low cost to produce still had to be designed, developed, casting and tooling had to be developed, and employees needed to be paid, for a new gun to exist that didn't exist prior to its creation. Ruger has been making SA guns for decades and likely already had a lot of the investment made. The LCR and LCRx development cost money. Plain and simple.
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The LCR is over 10 years old, the dev and tooling costs have been paid off several times over by now. The aluminum frame is easier/cheaper to make vs the steel ones... if Ruger can make the .38 LCR for $360, there's no reason they can't do the .22 for close to the same price. There's one more chamber in the .22 Mag LCR and three more in the .22 LR LCR, both cost the same, yet the .22 Mag holds 6 rds instead of 8, so clearly having more rounds in the cylinder doesn't make the price spike.

.22 LR is popular, people buy guns cuz the ammo is cheap and enjoyable to shoot.
 
TTv2 said:
The LCP II was designed around having a last round hold open, different trigger, grip frame... the gun was almost an entire overhaul compared to the LCP. I don't think the price difference of the LCP II and the Wrangler is an appropriate comparison, the reason the LCP II costs a lot more is because it's better than the LCP and Ruger wants us to pay for that better. The Wrangler is competing with Heritage, so Ruger wanted the street price to be $200 or less.
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The Lcp ll is not a better pistol than the LCP Gen 2.Yes it has last round hold open, but it is basically same gun. as far as build quality and materials And no matter how you cut it. They are just Kel-tec clones. Yes, i agree a manufacturer will sell to the market price the public will bear. My LCR22 is IMO one heck of a better gun than any LCP Ruger has ever made. It is obvious. I still say, the Wrangler has just come out. We can talk all day long about non-facts etc, but how about we just wait a year and see how well the Wrangler actually holds up.By all accounts it will be a MASS produced budget revolver if it is going to compete with Heritage. Heritage has a lot of experience with this one particular firearm with such a large volume. I suspect they have learned a thing or two through that experience and the volume
. Revolver manufacturing equipment wears out. Will Ruger be able to keep up with quality control? Not saying they won't, but for sure they have had a lot of those quality control issues with their other revolvers that I doubt will see the volume amount the Wrangler should be expecting to put out.
This is not a disparagement to the Wrangler. Just simply a observation that we wait and see how production goes down the road. Maybe they will exceed that expectation, maybe not. It will be interesting to follow in this firearm in the next couple of years. .
 
CraigC said:
I just love listening to all the crackpot theories from the armchair engineers and executives........not. :confused:
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I get a kick out of cheap assesses who want to scream or disparage companies or individuals who know the value of what they have vs what they want to pay.... Again no one is forced to buy anyone's products nor do we get to set market price other than by buying or not.... Quit her whining. And as I said earlier.... What does the O.P do for a living and what does he get paid? I am sure some here would think he is paid more than he is worth... Truth is if his employer if not a taxpayer paid or subsidized position is between he n them alone.
 
tallpaul said:
I get a kick out of cheap assesses who want to scream or disparage companies or individuals who know the value of what they have vs what they want to pay.... Again no one is forced to buy anyone's products nor do we get to set market price other than by buying or not.... Quit her whining. And as I said earlier.... What does the O.P do for a living and what does he get paid? I am sure some here would think he is paid more than he is worth... Truth is if his employer if not a taxpayer paid or subsidized position is between he n them alone.
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Amen! I know I'm paid more than I'm worth but don't tell anybody. ;)

If I couldn't afford ANY new Ruger, I'd spend more time working overtime than whining about it on the internet.
 
I don't want or need a Wrangler or a RR. I have a blue Single 6 with a 6 5/8 inch barrel, a blue single 10 with a 5 5/8 inch barrel, and a 4 5/8 inch custom Bird Head checked grip.
 
ColeK said:
I don't want or need a Wrangler or a RR. I have a blue Single 6 with a 6 5/8 inch barrel, a blue single 10 with a 5 5/8 inch barrel, and a 4 5/8 inch custom Bird Head checked grip. They will out last me and great grand kids.
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ATLDave said:
Compared shooting a compact DA revolver to a cowboy-type SA revolver? I mean....
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The SA is better. Shooting with a SA is a lot more enjoyable vs a DA, but DA's are more practical for self defense.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
If I were to choose one product that was gouging, it would be the Ruger LCP ll. $256.00 current price at Buds. 10oz Pistol, with a aluminum frame. Why is that gun's cost more than a Wrangler? Is the Wrangler a cheaper made gun than the LCP? A whopping $75.00?
I guess from Ruger prices alone, we can assume the quality of a Wrangler is not even the quality of a LCP. And the cheap little LCP does not even have a set of sights.
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Nope. It's all about charging what the market will bear -- which is less and less these days.
 
460Shooter said:
I didn’t miss your point at all. I just think you are flat wrong.

I’ve seen j frame versus LCR/x threads on THR and other forums consistently since the LCR and LCRx came out. That makes sense since they fill nearly the same niche. If people are debating between the two models then that constitutes competition which absolutely does put price pressure on the LCRx.
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Sadly, you clearly don't understand the absurdity of comparing the cost to produce an LCRx with a forged steel or titanium revo. Your proposed comparison simply makes no sense.
 
reddog81 said:
You can get a S&W 642 for a little over $300…

You do realize there's a huge difference in the parts and lock work between a single action .22 and a double action revolver with a swing out cylinder right? I'm sure they're making good money on the LCR's but to say to say the production costs are similar with no evidence just seems silly. Have you ever stripped a DA revolver down to all the individual components? Do you know how many individual components are in each gun?
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The cheapest S&W 642 at Bud's right now is $354.32, $344.00/cash.

I'm talking about .22s...
 
You have no "real data". You have unsupported opinions based on your own assumptions. You "know" nothing about Ruger's manufacturing and associated costs.

Who really cares anyway? Is this gonna change Ruger's pricing structure? Will it keep someone from buying something they want?
 
I'll say that all the talk lately about the Wrangler has made me seriously consider buying a bearcat. Take that, evil thread. ;)
 
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