Where would the NOx gas originate?
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Rick in Iowa
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I have seen NOx gas come through heaters where the intake is too close to the exhaust .
cjwils
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Does the safe have a battery powered electric lock with the batteries inside the safe? If so, replace no-name batteries with a major brand and see if that helps.
gwpercle
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I have seen this before....the drywall used as a fireproofing .... it is contaminated .
In Louisiana we call it Chinese Drywall . Used in construction after the last big Hurricane it off gasses and corrodes everything. Whole houses have to be gutted , electrical wires , hvac units all have to be removed.
Any electronics in the house soon corroded.
Remove all the gypsum board in your safe , treat the walls with a product called OdorKlenz and then replace with US made Fire - X drywall.
The chinese drywall is cheap... it has stopped being imported/used in house construction in the US but is starting to show up in fireproofing for doors and unfortunately... gun safes ! Especially if assembled over sea's
Gary
In Louisiana we call it Chinese Drywall . Used in construction after the last big Hurricane it off gasses and corrodes everything. Whole houses have to be gutted , electrical wires , hvac units all have to be removed.
Any electronics in the house soon corroded.
Remove all the gypsum board in your safe , treat the walls with a product called OdorKlenz and then replace with US made Fire - X drywall.
The chinese drywall is cheap... it has stopped being imported/used in house construction in the US but is starting to show up in fireproofing for doors and unfortunately... gun safes ! Especially if assembled over sea's
Gary
thanks to everyone for your responses, I really appreciate all the posts.
couple more pics, I just used an oiled rag to wipe off the surface.
I know the humidity is really low, but the wood is the best looking part of the colt lawman, it's obviously heavily used and carried, but it never looked this bad. especially the colt badge.
the safe is not battery powered (one of the reasons I chose these safes).
I pealed back the carpet lining so you can see the insulation. Also there is no corrosion to the bolts of the safe as you can see in the pic. they look chrome though so probably pretty resistant.
thanks for the rust type link, the brown rust seems possible. "Rust from Iron (III) oxides with high oxygen and low moisture results in brown rust". I tried smelling the safe, but the smell of gun oil is all I can detect.
I will contact bass pro and tell them my concerns
all three safes are right next to each other and are pretty far from any vents, there are only two in my basement.
couple more pics, I just used an oiled rag to wipe off the surface.
I know the humidity is really low, but the wood is the best looking part of the colt lawman, it's obviously heavily used and carried, but it never looked this bad. especially the colt badge.
the safe is not battery powered (one of the reasons I chose these safes).
I pealed back the carpet lining so you can see the insulation. Also there is no corrosion to the bolts of the safe as you can see in the pic. they look chrome though so probably pretty resistant.
thanks for the rust type link, the brown rust seems possible. "Rust from Iron (III) oxides with high oxygen and low moisture results in brown rust". I tried smelling the safe, but the smell of gun oil is all I can detect.
I will contact bass pro and tell them my concerns
all three safes are right next to each other and are pretty far from any vents, there are only two in my basement.
Erief0g
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Breaks my heart!
I just pulled out all my guns and gave a thorough spot check as I'm completely freaked out by this ad I'm sure you are and have been.
I just pulled out all my guns and gave a thorough spot check as I'm completely freaked out by this ad I'm sure you are and have been.
I think this makes the most sense. it's just frustrating because one of the main reasons I bought these safes are the fact that they're advertised as made in USA.
I'm so upset by it, I'm so crazy about rust prevention and maintaining the quality of my guns. the basement has two 50 qt dehumidifiers that keep the overall humidity below 40% (all to protect my guns), each safe has 4 dessicant containers like this:
each safe has its own golden rod and I wipe off all my guns any time they're handled with a well oiled rag.
alsaqr
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^^^^^This.
IMO: That safe most likely contains corrosive Chinese drywall. Chinese made drywall is very corrosive, attacking copper electrical wiring and copper pipes. Off gassing trashes the heating/air conditioning system. i know a contractor who remediates homes where the corrosive Chinese drywall was used. In addition to removing all the drywall, he replaces electrical components, gas piping, and fixes problems caused by the drywall.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...ABB9B367ADCCE925B211ABB9B367ADCCE&FORM=VDQVAP
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mrmike7189
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Going to pull out all my guns and caress, rub,polish, and oil them down for the night. Those guns are painful to look at!
Never want to see that
Never want to see that
thanks for the post, I think you guys are right. makes me so mad. I'm not confident bass pro will do anything about it, but I'll reach out.
cup half full, but at least this safe doesn't have my nfa items in it, surpressors, sbrs are safe and sound.
but that ruger revolver used to be a pretty gun, that colt lawman was from my dad, and those aks were hard for me to find (Bulgarian and Russian). everything is still functional and should clean up well (except for that ruger...)
I'm just disappointed that the one place in my house that is designed to protect my guns is the one place in my house that is destroying them.
Z1D2
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Interesting, i have used, used Motor oil on the outside of barrels, Rem oil spray inside weapons and and ive had little issues with rust. There are some good Theories here.. hope you figure this out.
Is your safe under warranty? Or got a number to call and ask the Manufacturer?
Is your safe under warranty? Or got a number to call and ask the Manufacturer?
NIGHTLORD40K
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I hate to like that post, but you know what I mean......ugh.
I can't sleep at night if I have a rusty gun- which is usually when I buy a new one with cosmetic issues. Been known to wake up at 3AM and start polishing.....
I can't sleep at night if I have a rusty gun- which is usually when I buy a new one with cosmetic issues. Been known to wake up at 3AM and start polishing.....
redneck2
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That makes me wanna puke.
Personally, I’d make it REAL hard on Bass Pro. As in, file a lawsuit. Small claims court. In Indiana it’s $5,000 maximum AFAIK. You can represent yourself, but they have to have an attorney. I’ve done it three times and won every time.
IMO, You’ve experienced significant loss due to their negligence
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Garandimal
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Two Words - Marine Grease.
Wipe down all the metal surfaces with it, as well as the bores with a jagged marine greased patch, and then wipe the contact surfaces with a paper towel or rag to cut it to a film coat so that it doesn't transfer.
Marine Grease is chocked full of detergents and anti-corrosives.
You could store them in salt water.
GR
Wipe down all the metal surfaces with it, as well as the bores with a jagged marine greased patch, and then wipe the contact surfaces with a paper towel or rag to cut it to a film coat so that it doesn't transfer.
Marine Grease is chocked full of detergents and anti-corrosives.
You could store them in salt water.
GR
That doesn't solve the problem. It just masks it.
Garandimal
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Have had Zero(0.0) rust in almost four decades with Marine Grease.
What's your point?
GR
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That’s great for you. But for the OP... The guns in his other two safes don’t have this rust problem. He has a problem with the safe. Not how he preserves his firearms.
here is what I sent to their customer service:
"I have two redhead branded USA made 24 gun safes and I am having a rust issue with one of them. both safes have several anti-rust measures inside them, but one of them is causing significant damage to my firearms.
pictures and other documentation are outlined in this thread here:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/rust-issues.843943/
the consensus is that the drywall fire retardant is causing corrosive gasses to leach into the safe and damage the firearms. as you can see by the pictures the damage to the guns is severe and I'm disappointed that something designed to protect and secure my firearms is destroying them. thank you for your help and support"
no real response yet, but I got this message:
"Thank you for contacting basspro.com. We truly appreciate your business.
Your inquiry has been forwarded to our Customer Service Product Specialist team. They are available Monday through Friday from 8 am until 8 pm. Please allow up to two business days for a response from one of our Specialist. Thank you for choosing Bass Pro Shops as your outdoor retailer.
Best regards,
Cindy
Bass Pro Shops
2500 E Kearney
Springfield, MO 65898"
I'll update the thread when I get a response, thanks again for everyone's help
"I have two redhead branded USA made 24 gun safes and I am having a rust issue with one of them. both safes have several anti-rust measures inside them, but one of them is causing significant damage to my firearms.
pictures and other documentation are outlined in this thread here:
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/rust-issues.843943/
the consensus is that the drywall fire retardant is causing corrosive gasses to leach into the safe and damage the firearms. as you can see by the pictures the damage to the guns is severe and I'm disappointed that something designed to protect and secure my firearms is destroying them. thank you for your help and support"
no real response yet, but I got this message:
"Thank you for contacting basspro.com. We truly appreciate your business.
Your inquiry has been forwarded to our Customer Service Product Specialist team. They are available Monday through Friday from 8 am until 8 pm. Please allow up to two business days for a response from one of our Specialist. Thank you for choosing Bass Pro Shops as your outdoor retailer.
Best regards,
Cindy
Bass Pro Shops
2500 E Kearney
Springfield, MO 65898"
I'll update the thread when I get a response, thanks again for everyone's help
I shoot a lot of surplus 5.45 out of one of my ARs, but of course it was in another safe... it's actually the exact same safe as the rusting one.
WrongHanded
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I know what I'm about to ask won't help, but how do the temperatures in the 3 safes compare?
FROGO207
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I have seen ammo that was outgassing destroy an ammo box that it was in. How much ammo did you have stored in there? This might have something to do with it as well.
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