Say NO to "Gun Snobs"

[Dimis]

I would like to make a suggestion to all that use these forums
Please do NOT be a gun snob
Everyone on here has an opinion and is entitled to it to certain degree but ive noticed not only here but other forums as well the constant bashing of gun owners for there firearms of choice its one thing to prefer your firearm over others but to completely bash someone because they chose something other than your favorite is a bit rediculous ive noticed this with all types of firearms whether it be shotguns to rifles or revolvers and auto pistols
take into account that people on here buy what they buy because of personal choice and SOME influence and advice if they choose not to take your advice this does not mean they are inferior or stupid

personaly i find it lacking character and respect to say that someone has bought a "piece of junk" or "garbage gun" just because you personaly prefer something else

I DO find it respectful to state your opinions in a manner that shows your opinions as your preference such as "i dont like (make and model here) because the grips dont fit my hand" or "(such and such model) is a caliber i dont like"

but to out and out state that you bought model X because the model were talking about is complete crap and your an idiot for buying it is outright rude and tasteless especialy after a new gun owner is trying to spread his joy in his or her purchase

on the other hand if someone asks advice before they buy its absolutly fine to inform someone that the model they want may be a faulty or inferior product but dont bash to the point that only YOUR favorite model is there only choice there are hundreds of manufacturers that make quality firearms for various price ranges and purposes so if someone wants a .357 magnum and you say that only brand X is worth your time or money you may want to rethink your words because brand Y and Z could be a good choice too

EVERY manufacturer over the years has made a lemon and no company has a perfect track record for makeing every single gun they produce to be flawless and completely free of problem remember to err is human and i dont see any guns being made by any other creature on the planet

as for the lemons feel free to inform anyone and everyone interested of the exact problem with the firearm i.e. that new model from bobs blast-o-matic has a really big problem with the slide breaking and sending a pound of steel at your forhead so double check them before you buy
but DO NOT say that bobs blast-o-matic firearms are all junk and will kill you if you fire them just because the new model has an issue

above all if it were not for the trials and errors of the firearm industries we would never have inovative new firearms that are better or at minimum a new choice for those that seek something different because lets face it NOTHING that we shoot was built perfect the first time nor was it always known technology at some point someone took a chance and made the guns that you love and someone else said it would never work

thanks for your time just had to get that out

 

[ljnowell]

yep. god help you if you mention the "G" word around here sometimes.




GLOCK!!!

I said it!

 

[Dimis]

or taurus especialy the judge

 

[Duke of Doubt]

Yeah, disparaging a Judge can be a bad idea in any courtroom around here.

A little partisanship and rivalry isn't a bad thing; it brings out some good arguments and discussions.

And lets face it, some guns are better than others. Most guns have their good and bad points, but some are just inferior. Yet even they have their staunch defenders! It's interesting to hear that point of view, and we never would unless the negative comments were heard first.

Gun magazines these days never carry a negative review of a single firearm. I've stopped reading them largely for that reason.

 

[Hawk]

or taurus especialy the judge

Well, it's the intertubz after all. Develop a thicker skin.

The Taurus Judge garners a lot less bile than S&Ws with a frame lock, sfaict.

There is a certain amount of "inverse snobbery" here. Check out what's said about folks that buy Korth revolvers.

IMHO, gun owners are a group most inflicted by confirmation bias issues and internet gun boards are a place least likely to provide such confirmation.

There's probably a post-grad thesis in there somewhere. I'd do one myself but the use of uninformed human subjects is discouraged.

 

[Kansan]

+1 to OP

 

[mljdeckard]

What we find is, members who are either so snotty they can't stay with the rest of the goyim here, or so sensitive they cry when someone bashes the model of pistol their grandfather gave them, just don't stay very long.

The only thing I really get stubborn with is .25 acps. I truly think that they are a good answer for nothing, and anyone can do better if they realize how important it is. Everything else, I am very careful to phrase it as; "The way I see it..." etc.

But you will find, the opinions of owners of EXPENSIVE guns is apparently much more weighty than those who bought a gun just as good for 1/3 the price.

 

[Kansan]

Oops, sorry, double post. I agree with the Dimis. Sometimes people are overzealous in raining on other people's parade. I think THR is better than most forums, though, to be fair.

 

[wyocarp]

I think total censorship is what is needed. After all, we should be just like the magazines and praise every gun and every user. To even consider pointing out problems with a particular weapon should be an offense worthy of death. A utopia should be our ultimate goal.

 

[Gideon]

Try asking about a hi-point 995 9mm carbine

Seriously I researched them alot and you hear nothing but rock solid reliable, etc. So i thought about buying one and throwing it into an aftermarket ATI stock. Makes it look JUST like a Berretta CX4 Storm. I talked to the gun shop owner where I've bought quite a few guns and I got a look and response that was just like a parent gives a kid he's very disappointed in. I've bought a number of high quality firearms from him but now I think he's lost respect for me

I agree, enjoy what you can, get what you can. I think we all know that there's some truth to the fact that you get what you pay for and that for defense you want something good but I think we can enjoy the cheaper guns too!

God Bless
Gideon

 

[browningguy]

If they don't want to hear other opinions, they probably shouldn't ask.

 

[skwab]

I certainly understand the OP's frustration and I agree with everything they said. Personally, I don't see it quite as much here as I do with more brand specific forums - I think for the most part those of us who post here are fairly open minded in that we just like guns - all of them! At the same time, I think there is a responsibility to let others know of problems with a particular model - let's face it, the gun manufacturers aren't saints - they are all out to sell more than the other guy, and I think we've seen it quite a bit lately with the recalls that the pressure to get new models out to the public is intense and imperfect, and we need to know if there is a reoccuring problem.

 

[Dirtpile]

Can we at least flame them over actual "garbage guns", ie. Jennings, Bryco or RG?

 

[NG VI]

I can't understand the Judge. Weird lookin' thing that seems like a really cool toy to me, but little else.



I don't know anything though, that's why I am enrolling in Old Fuff's school of brainlearnins as soon as I get him to open it up.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I like the IDEA of the Judge for car carry (close quarters against carjackers with .410 shotshells), but it means an extra gun in the car. I could also see it for snakes, but any .44 revolver can carry shotshells for that duty.

But I guess I'm a gun snob, as I've sold both my Tauri and will buy only Smith and Colt revolvers from now on. Next major handgun acquisition? Python, baby. Python.

 

[MikePGS]

Gun magazines these days never carry a negative review of a single firearm. I've stopped reading them largely for that reason.

Surely that must be because every gun being made these days is great, right?

 

[ljnowell]

I think total censorship is what is needed. After all, we should be just like the magazines and praise every gun and every user. To even consider pointing out problems with a particular weapon should be an offense worthy of death. A utopia should be our ultimate goal.

Thats not even what was suggested. Facts are great, opinions are garbage.

 

[wyocarp]

I don't mind opinions. What I hate are those that comment on a particular gun and have never owned or shot one. They should be quiet. They should be told to stop speaking out of ignorance.

 

[Guy de Loimbard]

I haven't seen many (if any) here, but personally the ones that peeve me the most are the 1911 snobs that say you must spend $1000+ to get a good 1911. I've never spent that much on any gun. I do have a RIA 1911 gov't model in .38 Super that I got for $430, and it's both reliable and accurate (enough, it shoots straighter than I do). But since the frame is cast, the slide is machine from bar stock instead of forged, and the internals are MIM, one person even went far enough to say "enjoy the **** out of it at the range, but don't trust your life to it"

Why not? I know it's not a Colt, and it's not the tightest-fitted thing by far, but I haven't had any problems with it. I just don't see why, since I didn't pay $600 more for a bunch of doodads and a name, I should be ridiculed.

 

[WVMountainBoy]

I think my signature says how I feel about brands. I will however pipe up in regards to the gun magazines. I find it aggravating to no end that they do a reliability test on a 1,200 dollar 1911 once a month but you never see a review about a 300 dollar Rossi revolver. If its junk, tell us its junk, and why it is. I let my subscription to G&A expire because I was never seeing anything about guns that didn't cost 2 months pay. I have a great gun shop, and he does very very well by me on my lay-aways but I would feel horrible if I asked him to lay away a 2,000 dollar gun because it would take me way too long to pay it off. I have a rossi .38 thats had about 300 rds ran through it and never a hitch. That is what I need to know, not if the $1,000 dollar gun is going to be reliable I darn sure expect that, but by all means set off a fanfare if the $300 dollar gun functions great. *disengage rant*

 

[ReadyontheRight]

Seriously I researched them alot and you hear nothing but rock solid reliable, etc. So i thought about buying one and throwing it into an aftermarket ATI stock. Makes it look JUST like a Berretta CX4 Storm. I talked to the gun shop owner where I've bought quite a few guns and I got a look and response that was just like a parent gives a kid he's very disappointed in. I've bought a number of high quality firearms from him but now I think he's lost respect for me

Perhaps it's because he does not make much of a margin on such an inexpensive gun.

 

[NG VI]

Quote:
Gun magazines these days never carry a negative review of a single firearm. I've stopped reading them largely for that reason.

Surely that must be because every gun being made these days is great, right?

I am a subscriber to Gun Tests, they are great about pointing out exactly what they don't like about a gun and why it is getting graded the way it is. They had an article featuring small .45 ACPs, Glock 30 vs two of the little 1911s, I think Kimber and Springfield. Glock won handily, and they explained exactly why.

 

[JohnBT]

"But you will find, the opinions of owners of EXPENSIVE guns is apparently much more weighty than those who bought a gun just as good for 1/3 the price."

It could be because some of the owners of those expensive guns owned some of the less expensive guns at some point in the past and discovered the flaws. Or at least can compare the guns based on firsthand experience.

IOW, they paid for the experience and learned a lesson they're willing to share.

NOTE: I am not saying that ALL inexpensive guns are bad, just some of them.

John

 

[NGIB]

Why do some folks drive a Rolls Royce and some drive a Yugo?

We all buy the guns that:

a. we like
b. fit our budget

I have handguns ranging from very inexpensive to quite expensive and they all do what they're intended to do - throw bullets downrange. I agree that some folks are snobs but in the same vein a lot of folks say their Hi-Point is just as good as my Colt Gold Cup - it goes both ways folks...

 

[JR47]

I'm one of those with a Korth. When I mentioned it before, I heard all about Nazis, from a person who was extolling the "perfection" of a Les Baer's fit and finish. Oh, and I was talking about a Korth semi-auto, even provided pics.

The problem with the idea of "been there, done that" thinking is that the majority of those who use the "high dollar" approach haven't shot, much less owned, many of the guns in question. Yet, here they come, with opinion presented as fact.

I've always felt that a gun in the hand was far more effective than trying to persuade the bad guy to "come back after I save up for a ________" approach. It just seems funny to listen to the circular logic presented. Then, you turn around and read about a gang-banger with a POS gun that killed a cop, or a merchant. I guess that being a criminal makes POS guns work better than they do for the law-abiding. Or perhaps it's the opinions that are truly POS.