Oops, you forgot to mention EC9S can be had for half price or less. The extra cartridges 365 can carry for vast majority are just dead weight.
Sig p365 "3rd Gen" Quality?
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Oops, you forgot to mention EC9S can be had for half price or less. The extra cartridges 365 can carry for vast majority are just dead weight.
Sistema1927
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Nobody ever, while in a gunfight, said "I wish I had less ammo".
Jeb Stuart
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Sorry had to laugh at the thought of some guy taking down a bad guy with with a couple fast rounds and and then walking over to the corpse, looking down and putting the rest of the mag or cylinder into his chest and then saying "I wish I had MORE rounds".
Hey, I liked the Sig when I shot it. Great little gun, just not for me. I know it is hard to believe, but many folks just do not care to have the extra rounds. It just is not something that is very high on the list. If it is, and the gun fits you then fantastic. If not, plenty of others to choose from and I mean plenty. My Gosh the market is full of nice guns in the same size and weight class.
I would take a Glock 43/43x or Shield over the Sig. With either one you give up a few rounds that will probably never matter and get dead nuts reliability with a proven track record in return, which seems like a fair trade to me - especially in the context of a small defensive handgun.
Sistema1927
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It is always interesting to see the rationalization that takes place in threads like this.
If someone posts that they carry a J-frame, then there are those who insist that you can't get along without a full-sized weapon containing 17-19 rounds, and a couple of extra magazines. Then someone comes along and says that most gun fights are resolved in 3-5 rounds. And back and forth it goes.
I have been more than confident that carrying a J-frame, or for the better part of 15 years a Kahr PM9, would get me out of most scrapes. However, with the acquisition of the P365, I now have the ability to carry considerably more ammunition in a package that is about the same size. I doubt that I will ever need to confront a gang of multiple attackers, but it is comforting to know that I am now better prepared for that threat, as unlikely as it may be.
To each their own.
If someone posts that they carry a J-frame, then there are those who insist that you can't get along without a full-sized weapon containing 17-19 rounds, and a couple of extra magazines. Then someone comes along and says that most gun fights are resolved in 3-5 rounds. And back and forth it goes.
I have been more than confident that carrying a J-frame, or for the better part of 15 years a Kahr PM9, would get me out of most scrapes. However, with the acquisition of the P365, I now have the ability to carry considerably more ammunition in a package that is about the same size. I doubt that I will ever need to confront a gang of multiple attackers, but it is comforting to know that I am now better prepared for that threat, as unlikely as it may be.
To each their own.
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TomJ
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The round count is a personal decision, and should be based on your environment. I live in the Chicago suburbs, and while my suburb has a low crime rate, when shootings and armed robberies do happen it's not uncommon for there to be 4 criminals/gang members in the car. That makes the round count important to me. My brother lives in a part of Wisconsin where people don't lock their car doors. My oldest son is getting married in May and moving to a part of Wisconsin where violent crime is almost unheard of. The round count is less important to them. Make the decision that's best for you, and trust that others have done the same.
larryh1108
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As has been mentioned, why would anyone else care what I carry, if I carry or if I carry a back up.
Why does it bother some people if their ideals aren't accepted by everybody?
You stay in your lane and I'll stay in my lane and life is good.
Why does it bother some people if their ideals aren't accepted by everybody?
You stay in your lane and I'll stay in my lane and life is good.
Sistema1927
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And once again we discover why threads like this are a waste of time.
Now that Jeb deleted the content of his earlier post (#31) this no longer makes as much sense.
Now that Jeb deleted the content of his earlier post (#31) this no longer makes as much sense.
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Jeb Stuart
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total waste of time
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Jeb Stuart
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The old beating a dead horse. Must be that time of the year.
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sparkyv
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9mm, pocket carry, 10+1 rounds, what's not to like? For my requirements, there's nothing else like it. Over 450 rounds thru mine, no issues. Born Feb, 2019.
Jeb Stuart
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Yes Bannockburn they are nice guns. I have been looking to add to my Micro9mm's and have been looking at prices of the Kahrs. I own the CW380 and really enjoy it. Never thought about the CW9mm with the longer barrel. Ever shot one? Love the Kahr DAO triggers.Most likely will get the Standard CM model. At least at this point.
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ROD KLOMP
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June ,2018, my Sig P365, has been 100% perfect in every way, no issues...
Old Dog
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Never sure why some threads about certain makers or models become contentious … OP asked about the quality of the current production P365s, those of us with experience enthusiastically endorsed the model, others came aboard and just wanted to tout other brands/models and nay-sayed or pooh-poohed what we claimed the pistol had to offer. The OP didn't ask about Ruger's offerings, or the Shield, or whatever else …
To the OP, I'd simply say, buy one with confidence. To others, I'd just say, if you don't have experience with the particular gun, why come in just to comment on what negatives you've read or heard about second-hand on the internet from a less than experienced minority?
To the OP, I'd simply say, buy one with confidence. To others, I'd just say, if you don't have experience with the particular gun, why come in just to comment on what negatives you've read or heard about second-hand on the internet from a less than experienced minority?
Jeb Stuart
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It seems you were not about just talking about the new generation 365, you made the comment above saying quote "and no, there are NOT several good alternative pistols "in that size class" that even come close to the superb ergonomic, etc, ect.
Well, that sure opens up a door of disagreement and has absolutely nothing to do with the New generation. Someone responds to your comment and takes exception to your statement and points out another nice gun or opinion and you obviously don't like it. Everyone should just laud the gun and gush over the gun. And I was actually interested do see if there were any changes. I did not even know there was a new Gen 3. And at one point there was talk about the Sig, going modular with different grips. Something that might interest others who like the gun but the "Super ergonomics" did not even fit there hand.
Sorry the 365 does not have super ergonomics. A number of us rode the slide because the gun was too small. Do not even like the bulky take down pin which some have reported to be problematic. Do not like the trigger for EDC. Same goes with the Ruger LC9s which I own.
I will emphatically say right now there are many guns in the same class that are very nice guns. You like the gun, that is fine and it is a very nice gun. But you cannot make statements like you did and not expect a response from others that own some very nice guns as well.
And before you say anything, I did shoot the 365. Maybe even more than yourself. And I made a comparison that it was similar to the LC9S. So what?
In this thread one other person that owns the 365 made a statement that he also owned a Kahr, He said he preferred the Sig. Ok, no problem, but then a person comes and says he loves his Kahr. And then I also thought about this and responded a question about the Kahr, but yes I am interested in that gun. I have shot them, like them and prefer the DAO trigger. And I could care less about more round in the mag.
I get it, When threads open up on the 365, only 365 owners should read or post. And no comparisons. Only super positive post are accepted.
After all, according to you, There are NOT several good alternative pistols " in that class". I say you are wrong. Sorry If I disagree.
The Sig is a very nice gun, I am glad you are happy and found what you like. But understand others may not share your opinion. That is the way the world works.
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Jeb Stuart
Had a CW40 years ago. Loved the grip design but didn't care for the snappy recoil or the amount of muzzle flip. It was a good overall size though, like the CM9 I have very easy to conceal carry.
Had a CW40 years ago. Loved the grip design but didn't care for the snappy recoil or the amount of muzzle flip. It was a good overall size though, like the CM9 I have very easy to conceal carry.
WoodchuckAssassin
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I don't have any doubt that I will own the CM9 at some point (I own several Kahrs, both polymer and metal) and have always been impressed. It's been a while since I've bought a polymer gun that wasn't a Kahr, so I decided to give the ol' Sig a try. With a CM9 being around $300, I can always sell the Sig if I don't care for it and still walk away with another gun and some ammo money to boot.
My question was "are the new Sig's reliable," and I feel that I've gotten my answer. Thank you for the testimonials and opinions. It's always a good day on THR forum!
My question was "are the new Sig's reliable," and I feel that I've gotten my answer. Thank you for the testimonials and opinions. It's always a good day on THR forum!
Jeb Stuart
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Personally I never bought into the unreliability of the Sig in the first place. That was IMO way over blown. And what I did like was the build quality. All steel chassis, steel receiver. All the parts appeared to be of very good quality. Liked the fact that the gun came with night sights, (although I am not a fan of the Sig night sights), And there are guns with aluminum chassis that I just do not want to purchase. Yes, I would be interested in the gun if, it had a smooth double action. and a frame that fit better in my hand. These are just personal preferences. And one reason I like other Micro 9mm more favorably than the Sig.
I still do not fully understand what a Gen 3 is? I guess a newer recoil string and striker pin. I have a haunch Sig will have a newer Gen model come out and that it may very well be a modular design with a different grip. I am not the only one that notices that the grip is more suited for small hands. Just read a review to the same.
PS My question about the Kahr was how folks that own the CW9mm like the longer barrel vs the CM9?
I still do not fully understand what a Gen 3 is? I guess a newer recoil string and striker pin. I have a haunch Sig will have a newer Gen model come out and that it may very well be a modular design with a different grip. I am not the only one that notices that the grip is more suited for small hands. Just read a review to the same.
PS My question about the Kahr was how folks that own the CW9mm like the longer barrel vs the CM9?
351 WINCHESTER
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Mine was born 2/28/19 & primer drag is still as bad as I have seen. The pistols shoots like a house a fire & recoil is much milder than I expected.
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For Jeb, regarding the Kahr PM9 vs P9, I have both and prefer shooting the longer barrelled P9 (same as CW9). For CCW, it’s about the same degree of difficulty for me and I just shoot it better. The shorter barrelled PM9 is a great gun but for me it’s slightly more difficult to shoot well. Hope this helps.
Fine Figure of a Man
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I picked mine up a couple days ago, Feb 19 vintage. 80 rounds of JHP so far with no issues, I'll keep counting.
Haven't picked up the brass yet so I don't know about primer drag, why should I care?
It is a smaller grip than I am used to but it shoots well for me. Unlike some other small 9's the trigger guard is large and the sights are very nice. The trigger pull is not as good as other strikers I have but acceptable and the reset is very good.
Haven't picked up the brass yet so I don't know about primer drag, why should I care?
It is a smaller grip than I am used to but it shoots well for me. Unlike some other small 9's the trigger guard is large and the sights are very nice. The trigger pull is not as good as other strikers I have but acceptable and the reset is very good.
Jeb Stuart
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bannockburn, we seem to be of like minds. I have been wanting the CM9 for years. Very similar to my Nano which I love. Well finally ordered one today. Looking forward to adding to my small gun collection. I have the CW380 and love that gun along with my Pico. Thanks for posting. That Pic of your Kahr has stayed in my mind. Contemplated other guns as well to include another Nano since that is my favorite.
PS Nothing against the 365. Fine gun and hope no one takes offense. I posted on this thread because It was brought up about issues like round count etc. And since I have posted that round count of a few rounds is not a big deal to me, I thought I would emphasize that with the truth of a actual purchase. Again, I shot the 365 and it was a very lovely gun. And if it had fit my hand better would love to own one. And I still find all the post about failures to be extremely exaggerated, way over the top. And would have no problem owning one without any fear of failure. Might even do so at a later time when I can shoot the gun again and see if the smaller grip is something that I could get use to.
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TomJ
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Sadly, I have a not so great update on mine. The light primers strikes started again yesterday. I thought the recoil spring was the culprit, but this was a new spring with just under 500 rounds on it. I always clean the gun after I shoot it, including the striker channel, so that can't be causing the issue. It's being shipped back to Sig. I'll see what they can do, but at this point I don't have much confidence in mine. That's not to say that other's aren't fine, just that mine's having issues. I really want to keep this gun as it's the perfect CC gun for me, but as of now I'm carrying my Shield or VP9SK.
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