Frank V
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barnbwt
I guess I'm as guilty of drifting as anyone & I humbly appologise.
I will not drift farther.
Frank
I guess I'm as guilty of drifting as anyone & I humbly appologise.
I will not drift farther.
Frank
The Remington R51, Explained
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I very much appreciate the discussion.
I have followed the R51 since the initial announcements, and I have been very disappointed with the problems that have occurred.
The proof will be in the pudding--reliability, shootability, etc.
I'll shoot one before buying.
I have followed the R51 since the initial announcements, and I have been very disappointed with the problems that have occurred.
The proof will be in the pudding--reliability, shootability, etc.
I'll shoot one before buying.
Here's some good "What the H--- Happened to the R51?" threads such conversations would be right at home in;
Whatever Happen to the R51?
A Thread Specifically About the Recall Process
Hey, here's one with me ribbing the R51, just so you know I'm not a fanboy without humor, but just a devoted fan
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Any reason the link to the thread that had pictures of ruptured cases from OOB discharges only pulls up in a text version? I'd like to see the actual thread (and pics) if anyone has the link.
Thanks.
JRH6856
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Which thread is that?
I too, would like to see the pix of ruptured cases as I can only recally seeing pix of bulged cases.
I too, would like to see the pix of ruptured cases as I can only recally seeing pix of bulged cases.
Deltaboy1984
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Man this is a lesson in poor engineering and manufacturing processes. What a mess.
Gun Master
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If Wishes Could Come True
I wish Remington, or somebody else, would make a good replica of the old Remington Model 51 in .380ACP !
Yeah !
I wish Remington, or somebody else, would make a good replica of the old Remington Model 51 in .380ACP !
Yeah !
JRH6856
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With a redesigned bolt block as that seems to have been the weak spot of the original.I wish Remington, or somebody else, would make a good replica of the old Remington Model 51 in .380ACP !
Yeah !
But I'm curious as to why.
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barnbwt
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If they're gonna scale it down (as if they would; it's pretty plain they intended to do a 45acp, first), I'd actually prefer it in 32acp. Being a locked action, they could increase pressure a good bit without bumping into safety or recoil issues, and you could shrink the whole platform quite a bit. Make it upward-ejecting, and I think you could get it extremely thin, as well (the slide's strength won't be as effected across the rails).
I still would like a mouse-gun using this action in 5.7x28, with a ~10 round "1.5-stack" magazine. Unfortunately, case length would likely dictate the gun couldn't get much shorter than it already is, but I strongly suspect you could get it to nearly 3/4" thin and a little shorter on the grip (three finger instead of four). The frame itself is so simple that I've actually been looking into whether or not a production gun could be adapted to the Pedersen setup with a welded-on & hardened block, and the original slide milled out for a separate breech block and bolt-on lifiting cams.
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I still would like a mouse-gun using this action in 5.7x28, with a ~10 round "1.5-stack" magazine. Unfortunately, case length would likely dictate the gun couldn't get much shorter than it already is, but I strongly suspect you could get it to nearly 3/4" thin and a little shorter on the grip (three finger instead of four). The frame itself is so simple that I've actually been looking into whether or not a production gun could be adapted to the Pedersen setup with a welded-on & hardened block, and the original slide milled out for a separate breech block and bolt-on lifiting cams.
TCB
JRH6856
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I think they intend to do .40S&W on this same frame/slide before scaling up to .45. Probably just need to scale up the slide. The mag well will almost accept my 1911 mags.
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barnbwt
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Someone with a 45 check for me, but I thought we'd determined acp would fit in the existing mags if the stamped grooves were absent --that's why my assumption. Heck, the mags are almost long enough to feed 7.62x25 (almost )
It's funny; remember how ticked off everyone was after that idiot blogger falsely said the R51 would be the size of a Glock 380? With all the online folks saying the gun was now "huge" and et cetera? I wonder how they'd feel about a 5-6 shot 45acp (+P?) the size of a G26, but 3/16" narrower?
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)It's funny; remember how ticked off everyone was after that idiot blogger falsely said the R51 would be the size of a Glock 380? With all the online folks saying the gun was now "huge" and et cetera? I wonder how they'd feel about a 5-6 shot 45acp (+P?) the size of a G26, but 3/16" narrower?
TCB
JRH6856
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1911 mag is just a little too long (front to back) to fit the R51 mag well. .45ACP 230g hardball seems to be just a little too long to fit the R51 mag. SWC or truncated cone or deeper seated round nose would fit the mag if the spacer folds and front lip were reshaped. The R51 frame should handle .45ACP just fine. I'm just not sure about the slide and bolt.
JRH6856
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Well, that's helpful
Gun Master
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R51 Demise
"The R51 is dead ! Long live the R51 !"
"The R51 is dead ! Long live the R51 !"
1SOW
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barnbwt+1
Fingers crossed.
Fingers crossed.
Gun Master
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R51 Comeback ?
Hey, this is October !
Any insider info on R51 resurrection ?
October...
TCB
Hey, this is October !
Any insider info on R51 resurrection ?
Goju
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And Remington did specify 2014.....right?
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barnbwt
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Actually, come to think of it, I don't think they actually did give a year in their press release
You would think there'd be some sort of insider (or official, for Pete's sake) announcement proclaiming either a delay or the triumphant start of production. Remington employees have tighter lips than the State Department, it seems. Either that, or there's no one working on the program to leak about it 
It's like Willy Wonka's factory over there, or something
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You would think there'd be some sort of insider (or official, for Pete's sake
) announcement proclaiming either a delay or the triumphant start of production. Remington employees have tighter lips than the State Department, it seems. Either that, or there's no one working on the program to leak about it It's like Willy Wonka's factory over there, or something
TCB
Frank V
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barnbwt
Oct. Wow Oct is here. Do we really dare hope?
I was just starting to warm up to this gun when everything went south.
Hope they pull it out!
Oct. Wow Oct is here. Do we really dare hope?
I was just starting to warm up to this gun when everything went south.
Hope they pull it out!
Gun Master
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R51 Revamp Unveiling
Maybe they're waiting until Halloween, to scare us all ?!!!!
Maybe they're waiting until Halloween, to scare us all ?!!!!
JRH6856
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Wouldn't Halloween be the best time to bring something back from the dead?
lincen
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On the Remington forum there is a post that includes a response from a "senior executive" at Remington;
"Thanks for your continued interest. No firm release date yet…still working on a couple of enhancements.
I will let you know when production resumes."
Another comment there got me to thinking. Does anyone think that the aluminum frame will hold up like the older steel frame Pedersen action handguns?
"Thanks for your continued interest. No firm release date yet…still working on a couple of enhancements.
I will let you know when production resumes."
Another comment there got me to thinking. Does anyone think that the aluminum frame will hold up like the older steel frame Pedersen action handguns?
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