Boris bush
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The Glocks in question are not abused. They are used. I have seen my own guns get covered with fine dust, chaff, pollen, dirt, lint, when oiled out on the trails. Oil soaked gunk in a pistol is the number one cause of problems. When we are out and about we do not need problems. When we are out in subzero temps we do not need grease causing slugish slides failing our pistols. I have used grease that claimed proper function down to -40 that got thick at +20F. The lack of lube all over keeps the gun cleaner and running longer. If dirt, dust or whatnot does get in the gun (and it does) a good burst of air from the compressor puffs it all away, where oil will have it cling until you wipe it off. If the gun goes a week before it gets cleaned because thats how long it has been working, I know my Glock will not rust. I know because I have been using them for a minute. Every other gun I ever used like that has rusted. Even the 1022 stainless has permanent STAINS where it rusted and was cleaned off.
S&W has some good designs but they never keep a good model for too long. Someday the M&P will be a faddish memory and a new model will be out. 25 years from now it will not still be around in any form like it is now IF it survives that long. My G37 will work with the G17 upper on it. The G17 from 1989 works with the G37 upper on it. When the M&P hits 25+ years old and Glock parts still interchange, then the M&P might be able to be considered all that. Its a good gun, great design, held back by people who refuse to put a better trigger on it or a better finish. I would rather see a consistant carbon steel version that never rusts than have a 1 in 5 failure rate with a process that makes stainless more rustable than regular carbon steel. It is backwards thinking. They need to stop fiddling around. FIX the problems get over their name and bring the MSRP down to Glock levels and up to Glock quality levels and they will have a winner. They need to listen to the consumer. It is almost like they are marketing towards the ninjas that want black guns, oh and look its stainless!!!, costs alot more than a Glock....Has to be good!!!!
Great guns that need some design changes. The problem is the people sitting at the desk cutting checks to the advertisers. They need to direct that money to more R&D for the design....
They do have the BEST CS I have ever seen though. If he sends that gun to them it WILL be fixed right, fast and be back to him pronto. They got that going for them atleast....
The Glocks in question are not abused. They are used. I have seen my own guns get covered with fine dust, chaff, pollen, dirt, lint, when oiled out on the trails. Oil soaked gunk in a pistol is the number one cause of problems. When we are out and about we do not need problems. When we are out in subzero temps we do not need grease causing slugish slides failing our pistols. I have used grease that claimed proper function down to -40 that got thick at +20F. The lack of lube all over keeps the gun cleaner and running longer. If dirt, dust or whatnot does get in the gun (and it does) a good burst of air from the compressor puffs it all away, where oil will have it cling until you wipe it off. If the gun goes a week before it gets cleaned because thats how long it has been working, I know my Glock will not rust. I know because I have been using them for a minute. Every other gun I ever used like that has rusted. Even the 1022 stainless has permanent STAINS where it rusted and was cleaned off.
S&W has some good designs but they never keep a good model for too long. Someday the M&P will be a faddish memory and a new model will be out. 25 years from now it will not still be around in any form like it is now IF it survives that long. My G37 will work with the G17 upper on it. The G17 from 1989 works with the G37 upper on it. When the M&P hits 25+ years old and Glock parts still interchange, then the M&P might be able to be considered all that. Its a good gun, great design, held back by people who refuse to put a better trigger on it or a better finish. I would rather see a consistant carbon steel version that never rusts than have a 1 in 5 failure rate with a process that makes stainless more rustable than regular carbon steel. It is backwards thinking. They need to stop fiddling around. FIX the problems get over their name and bring the MSRP down to Glock levels and up to Glock quality levels and they will have a winner. They need to listen to the consumer. It is almost like they are marketing towards the ninjas that want black guns, oh and look its stainless!!!, costs alot more than a Glock....Has to be good!!!!
Great guns that need some design changes. The problem is the people sitting at the desk cutting checks to the advertisers. They need to direct that money to more R&D for the design....
They do have the BEST CS I have ever seen though. If he sends that gun to them it WILL be fixed right, fast and be back to him pronto. They got that going for them atleast....
