The weirdness that is gun people

[AmYisraelChai]

Not anymore, since the design and rights were sold to Dillon Precision, the company that builds cartridge reloading presses and supplies. There is a branch of the company that rebuilds / fixes them and maybe makes new ones. I think they actually improved them and continue to make sales to both US and other military units. [see recent thread about miniguns defending the scientists]

Bart Noir

It is my understanding that Dillion only repairs/rebuilds/improves them. I dont think any "rights" were sold as there is no longer any intullectual property to sell. (the patents expired quite a while ago) Any one who is able to do so (money, SOT paperwork, skill etc...) could take the design and copy it to manufacture new ones. At this point the only thing G.E. could have sold or held on to would be any tradmarks to the name of the gun they might have had.

I know of at least one other company that does the same thing as Dillion.

This is the same thing as making AR clones or 1911 clones. You dont need anything but the will, money and license to do so. The designs are no longer owned by anyone.

 

[colt.45]

you said it all man, bravo. my papa is the same way about his class 3's

 

[Spiggy]

A vast majority of Gun people think there is really a class III license

Oh boy, When people I knew found out that I owned guns (this started from my first .22 rifle) have asked me if I have a liscence for my gun.

I dont lie, I tell them no

-Gotta love the expressions on their faces when I ask them to hold my brick of ammo

Maybe. Gauss rifles?

Type 4: Mobile Suits, Amp Armors, and other non-surgical robotic enhancers and armors
Type 5: Gauss rifles, egon radiators, beam swords and other plasma based weaponry

 

[chas_martel]

See what I mean! Arrrgggghhhh.

Here we have a great description about the different types of FFL's (SOT's)
and Title 2 guns and yet still people call them Class 3's.

You guys do this to get under my skin right?

Colt, why don't ya just go ahead and call 'em clips?

 

[OEF_VET]

chas,

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

 

[MechAg94]

No, I really don't want to see your target when you are done shooting. Yet everyone wants to show it to me, along with an explanation for every shot. On the pistol line most people have no idea what good shooting is. There is a great reason for this, there are so few good shooters. If you take a look around on any given day and you seem to have the best looking target, that is generally enough to make a man delusional enough to think he is ready for the Nationals.

I laughed at this yesterday. Then I went to the range today with my K31. When you do better than you expected to do, you just have to tell someone. Luckily, my Dad is retired and is always happy to talk guns with his son.

 

[MechAg94]

ttt
I am surprised this one dissappeared so fast.

 

[Boom-stick]

So... does this mean I'm not supposed to show my targets to the old farts down the range?

 

[Master Blaster]

I _hate_ it when I'm at a public range, and shooting my bench gun... And the Bubba next to me is looking through his spotting scope. I fire the second shot, and he yells "you missed!" To impress those folks, you need to shoot big groups.

That guy was shooting next to me at my club two weeks ago, except he kept tellimg me I missed because he saw dirt fly up after every shot (he didnt have a spotting scope) He also told me about how great his remington 40X .308 rifle was, he had one and it had a leuopold tactical scope on it. So he was also shooting groups using the 40X. I was shooting groups with a 10x scope mounted on my 16" midlength AR upper, my reloads to see what load it liked best.

Then we went down range, 100 yards, and he pointed out his 5" groups of 5 shots on the shootn see targets, shot with his 40x, he then pointed to the center 2 or three rounds which were makeing a 1/2-1" group, excleimed that these were unbelievable groups except for the few fliers, and said how it could shoot one hole groups at 1000 yards with the Walmart ammo he was using.

Then he asked to see my targets which he thought I missed, All of my groups were 5 shots at a Quarter sized red sticker on a plain sheet of paper, all of them were under one inch edge to edge.........

I didn't hear another word from him for the next hour, then as I was leaving he showed me his colt h-bar, and he asked me who built my custom rifle cause he had never seen an AR shoot like that.........

I told him I ordered a RRA chrome lined upper and put it on a bushie lower I already had, so I had built it......

He didnt look too happy. Next time I see him there I will offer to shoot the 40x for him so we can see what it will do.....

 

[Gun Wielding Maniac]

When a bullet leaves the rifle it begins to do two things right away, start to drop relative to the theoretical bore line and begins to slow down. Do not tell me bullets "rise" I will give you a stick diagram explaining sights and parabolic arcs and whatnot. I can not draw and chances are it will take you a while to understand this. Just remember, your buddy who told you bullets rise....he lied.

I wouldnt chastise people for saying a bullet rises to a certain point before beginning to fall. It is true that technically, a bullet begins to fall as soon as it leaves the barrel. But the mechanics of 'zeroing' and calibrating firearms is sometimes pretty esoteric. Simplifications may be justified.

A bullet begins to fall as soon as it leaves the barrel. However, that is not the whole story. If you consider the rifle-bullet combination, things become more complex. When you look through a scope or through a pair of iron sights, you form a perfectly straight line between your eye, the rear sight, the front sight, and the target. This involves raising or lowering the barrel in relation to the target while keeping your eye in the same place.

Now, consider that there is also always an offset between the line of sight and the path of the bullet. Usually, between an inch and 2 inches. It should be obvious at this point, that as the bullet leaves the barrel it will be coming out at an upward angle in relation to the target. But, the line of sight is perfectly straight. Therefore, the path of the bullet MUST RISE to cross over the line of sight (forming the first "zero" with which we are all familiar) hit its apogee before finally falling and striking the target (the second zero).

So, while techincally bullets do no rise, it would not be incorrect to describe them as rising and falling in relation to the line of sight and the target.
Rant off.

 

[mustanger98]

So... does this mean I'm not supposed to show my targets to the old farts down the range?

I don't know about that one. At my club's range, we're always seeing what each other's doing. It's a social thing as much as anything else.

 

[DogWithGun]

Wow, fun post. I think I'll put on my Ranger/Seal boonie hat and go down to the range with my class III license and shoot my mini-gun. I'll be sure not to show the rangemaster my target though since I now understand that bothers them.

 

[xmaster]

sun

When a bullet leaves the rifle it begins to do two things right away, start to drop relative to the theoretical bore line and begins to slow down. Do not tell me bullets "rise" I will give you a stick diagram explaining sights and parabolic arcs and whatnot. I can not draw and chances are it will take you a while to understand this. Just remember, your buddy who told you bullets rise....he lied.


Niether does the sun but it sure is descriptive.

X

 

[strangeone]

Law Enforcement Rocks & Rolls

Another route to go to quell your full auto appetite is to become a member of your local law enforcement agency.They can order the surplus and non-taxed full autos on their official letter-head and if they are so inclined, you can baby sit this weapon as long as you are a member of their department>Easy HUH!