tragic ending to a heroic act

[old lady new shooter]

The guy who intervened may have decided shooting the bad guys early in their attack was worth the risk off being mistaken as an active shooter by responders.

Yes, likely. He was formerly in the security services himself and the terrorists had already killed three innocent people and injured several others.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Only one who has never taken action that could result in the taking of life would post such as this.

I must guess that you go armed and worry that your "heroic" action will get you lit up.

I carry a arm band that I pray will help me if I actually MUST take action.

The fog of war is a real thing,and "friendly fire" is not friendly = EVER.

I was not there,so I will not judge.

Until you have been under fire,please dont judge others who have.

And yes even after you have seen the eye of that tiger,DO NOT JUDGE.

Lest ye be judged.

I guess it sounded like I'm judging the off-duty soldiers but really I'm just heartbroken about the citizen getting killed after he was the one who neutralized the terrorists. It's tragic to lose a person like him.

As for me personally, yes I go armed, but I've been hanging out here long enough to know that attempting to be the one who takes out an active shooter is extremely dangerous. In many cases what would be required is anyway beyond my physical capabilities -- I can't run to speak of, can't kneel or quickly go prone, etc. I carry so I can defend myself, meanwhile doing what I can to avoid that becoming necessary.

 

[old lady new shooter]

There is an update on the incident. Both soldiers from the incident were questioned, the one who shot Castleman was then arrested but has now been released to house arrest.

The interesting excerpt from the article for the purposes of our discussion is:

Following the Military Police investigation, the IDF will decide if criminal charges should be brought against Frija. IDF protocols do not allow soldiers to shoot someone who raises their hands in the air, and officials say the soldier’s conduct during the incident was not what was expected of him based on the norms and values of the military.​

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Also the IDF Chief of Staff is quoted as saying "we emphasize the need to stick to the basic and required rules in complex situations like these, shooting in a civilian environment. Do not shoot when the threat is lowered, and we do not shoot at those who put their hands up.”

The attorneys for the soldier in question say the available video does not show the situation from his perspective.

There is video of the incident on twitter, and the tweet is embedded at the link. Watching it I found it difficult to understand exactly what was happening all the time, going to twitter to be able to enlarge to full screen didn't help me very much. I can see a person I assume is Castleman on the ground with hands raised, and then lowering them to open his jacket; the narrative indicated he opened his jacket to take out his wallet to show them his ID, however I'm not clear if that was before or after he was shot, or how many times he was shot. I suspect the LE folks here will get a lot more out of it, look forward to their comments.

Reservist who shot hero civilian at terror attack scene released to house arrest

Judge notes issues with prosecution's case against Aviad Frija, who is suspected of killing Yuval Castleman after he dropped his gun and raised his hands in air

www.timesofisrael.com

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Meanwhile I just went looking to see if I could find any newer updates, and of all outlets, CNN has the video with commentary explaining who is who and what's happening:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/12/05/exp-israeli-civillian-hero-marquardt-fst-120503aseg02-cnni-world.cnn

They also interviewed Castleman's best friend, who is a police officer, and he said the actions of the reservist who shot him were contrary to protocol every Israeli police officer and soldier is taught.