Trump: Take Guns Before Due Process

[BSA1]

It is hard to say what Trump means.

The biggest concern we as gunowners should have is having the Republicans keep control of The House of Representatives and the Senate.

If Republicans lose the House it is goodbye to all pro-gun bills.

If the Republicans lose the Senate it is goodbye to any Conservative Supreme Court nominations.

Trump has been dealt a crappy hand of cards. I think he has his eye on November elections and is saying things to deflect the full court press by the liberal media and Democrats to paint the Republicans as gun nuts that are not willing to do anything to stop the killing of children.

 

[2ifbyC]

The optics of Trump sitting next to Fienstein and his dismissal of the NRA's position was somewhat unnerving. Maybe there is method to his madness but his comments lack forethought. He has shown the propensity to shoot his mouth off in a public setting to garner wider appeal. I am hoping he was just feeding his ego. Time will tell when and if a gun control bill hits his desk.

 

[BSA1]

Not all gun owners think concealed carry reciprocity is a good idea.

I think it is a horrible idea to allow the Federal Government regulate what is being done very successfully by the States using the 10th Amendment.

The biggest lie in America is "I am from the Government and I am here to help you."

 

[indyogb]

The honeymoon is apparently over. The account I read indicates that immediately after he told Feinstein to "put her stuff in there" he told another senator that if he tried to put concealed carry reciprocity in the bill it would kill it. And no, I don't think he is being clever like a fox. Although I intend to not give an inch, I'm pragmatic enough to know that the ruling crowd is going to try to do something amongst this current hysteria. The least that can be done is to obtain reciprocity and remove silencers from the NFA out of what will result. To do otherwise will either prove stupidity, duplicity or both.

Yes, we should have done an actual "compromise" and got silencers out of NFA jail and maybe even reciprocity. It's kind of hard to do that, though, when your lead negotiator just gives away all the 'leverage' with the opening salvo.

I've been a big Trump supporter, even though I knew he was kind of a jerk because I liked his vague policy positions (mostly working on trade deals and enforcing immigration law, and supposedly protecting the 2nd Amendment). Today was absolutely antithetical to everything he ran on. I hope he was just talking out his rear end again, as he is wont to do. Otherwise, he just burned millions of bridges.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Trump has been dealt a crappy hand of cards. I think he has his eye on November elections and is saying things to deflect the full court press by the liberal media and Democrats to paint the Republicans as gun nuts that are not willing to do anything to stop the killing of children.

He is going to get the full court press from the media no matter what. Now with less support from his base.

 

[<*(((><]

I had a feeling this was coming with Trump, I just don’t trust the man. He’s arrogant and lacks wisdom.

It is up to the true Constitutionalists that are still in public office to bear the weight now. And they are far and few between these days.

“We have given you a democratic-republic… if you can keep it.” Benjamin Franklin

Not to veer too far off topic with the above, it was encouraging that some Republican members of Congress pushed back against Trumps remarks on gun control and due process. They need our support more than ever these days ahead.

 

[2ifbyC]

it was encouraging that some Republican members of Congress pushed back against Trumps remarks on gun control and due process.

And that could be part of Trump's strategy. He knows it's Congress' job to pass a bill for his signature. He is all over the board so he is difficult to attack. The likely hood of any restrictive bills passing is small. He can win some empathy points but banks on nothing happening. That's my hope for now; otherwise he's toast.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

One thing is for sure: the price of ammo, magazines, and AR's is going up again.

I guess the other sure thing is Trump hasn't got a snowball's chance in Hades in 2020.

If you think about it, he's pretty much failing on almost everything he campaigned on:

No wall. No vast increase in American jobs. No significant increase in deportations. We're still in NAFTA. And now he's betraying gun owners. This guy isn't going to have any base at all in a few more months.

Better get used to saying "President Winfrey."

 

[Deanimator]

I have a friend from Elmyra who's like Trump. He's brash and has the gift of gab, but sometimes his mouth gets ahead of his brain and he has to real it back in.

Fortunately, he listens. He's a criminal defense attorney. I've helped him with firearms issues a number of times.

 

[Mixed Nuts]

This has been a tough news nugget. At this point, considering how Trump did a similar on-camera stunt regarding DACA, I think we're okay on guns. It was bad timing though, as the conservative news cycle reports that South Africa has just voted to strip all White farmers of their land without compensation. This is just the kind of tyranny story that reminds people of how important gun rights are.

Like BSA1 speaks to above, I think Trump is looking at the midterm elections. Many of his policy goals will only be realized if the GOP gains ground. I think Donald believes that the GOP will pick up some undecided voters if he appears to consider gun control. But I believe it's a strategy. La Pierre had an especially good CPAC speech and Trump had nothing but praise for the man. In light of this, and of Trump's DACA stunt, I think he is playing a game.

 

[armoredman]

From an article on MSN
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...-gop-on-guns/ar-BBJIqGw?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp

"You'll never get this passed. If you add concealed carry to this, you'll never get it passed," Trump added. "Let it be a separate bill."
....
"You have to be very powerful on background checks," he said. "Don't be shy."

The president expressed amazement that Congress failed to bolster background checks in the wake of the 2012 Sandy Hook massacre, asking "why didn't they do something about it?"
....
"You can take the guns away immediately from people that you can adjudge easily are mentally ill, like this guy," he said.

Trump allowed that such a move might be illegal, but dismissed the lack of authority as a technicality.

"The police saw that he was a problem, they didn't take any guns away," he said. "Now that could have been policing, [but] I think they should have taken them away anyway, whether they had the right or not."

 

[Ignition Override]

Creating confusion and dismay only keeps the public guessing. And it works. This is not at all the first time.

Mixed Nuts' assessment looks very plausible: it's mostly about the mid-term elections and not wanting to appear Inflexible.

If you are very concerned about what could happen if the House majority changes, all you can do--besides going out to vote-- is buy that next desired gun (or gear) without too much delay.
And if you're worried about govt. records of gun purchases, do it via Armslist, if simple, private sales are legal in your state.

Make the decisions, do what you can. But First make sure you don't ignore shortness of breath (Widowmaker artery) etc the way I stupidly did last fall,
or your concerns about the Sec. Amendment might go away.... Permanently.

 

[plodder]

I agree, not a good idea to allow the Feds to control what should be a state's issue. But the precedent is set in stone with same sex marriage, abortion and numerous other more lefty inspired issues. Why not just one time get the Feds involved in allowing those in CA, HI and other oppressed states to exercise their Constitutional rights, and me not having to disarm every time I happen to drive 10 miles to the west?

Not all gun owners think concealed carry reciprocity is a good idea.

I think it is a horrible idea to allow the Federal Government regulate what is being done very successfully by the States using the 10th Amendment.

The biggest lie in America is "I am from the Government and I am here to help you."

 

[Klint Beastwood]

I'm afraid a hard lesson is being learned by the gun community: don't put your faith in glib promises made just to get your vote. Support for candidates and officeholders must remain conditional, depending on what they actually do. None of this mindless adulation because of what a guy appears to advocate. Remember that campaign speeches are cheap.

To be fair, there wasn’t a lot Of great candidate options this last election worth putting trust in, at least imo

 

[DoubleMag]

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[Duster340]

After years of panic and concerns that a given president (pick one) is coming for our guns, Trump comes out and says they should take them first and essentially worry about the law/due process later. WTH is the world coming to? Not getting a warm fuzzy.

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

And that could be part of Trump's strategy. He knows it's Congress' job to pass a bill for his signature. He is all over the board so he is difficult to attack. The likely hood of any restrictive bills passing is small. He can win some empathy points but banks on nothing happening. That's my hope for now; otherwise he's toast.

It's a possibility. A bill that ignored Due Process would have little chance of getting through congress. If it did become law I can't imagine the supreme court tolerating it but with the rulings on Obamacare and Kelo v. New London, who knows.

 

[Millamber457]

yeah just think there may not be a single candidate that we 2A supporters can get behind , that has a chance in hell. Mr. trump lost my support a while ago!

 

[barnbwt]

It is hard to say what Trump means.

The biggest concern we as gunowners should have is having the Republicans keep control of The House of Representatives and the Senate.

If Republicans lose the House it is goodbye to all pro-gun bills.

If the Republicans lose the Senate it is goodbye to any Conservative Supreme Court nominations.

Trump has been dealt a crappy hand of cards. I think he has his eye on November elections and is saying things to deflect the full court press by the liberal media and Democrats to paint the Republicans as gun nuts that are not willing to do anything to stop the killing of children.

Hey, that sounds just like our strategy under gun grabber Obama, yes?

 

[AlexanderA]

Remember that Trump was a reality TV star. What we're seeing now is government-as-entertainment. This replicates the worst days of the Roman Empire ("bread and circuses"). Yes, I can understand why people wanted to vote for an "outsider." But the office needs a minimum of gravitas. I would say that gun rights are up for grabs as long as this chaos continues.

 

[Shanghai McCoy]

It's a possibility. A bill that ignored Due Process would have little chance of getting through congress. If it did become law I can't imagine the supreme court tolerating it but with the rulings on Obamacare and Kelo v. New London, who knows.

Two examples from the history of our country.
Lincoln suspended the due process of Habeas Corpus during the War between the States and Roosevelt authorized American citizens of Japanese ancestry to be rounded up and "re-located" into camps.
It is not without precedent that the government can and will suspend the rights of citizens if it is "popular"...

 

[D.B. Cooper]

Two examples from the history of our country.
Lincoln suspended the due process of Habeas Corpus during the War between the States and Roosevelt authorized American citizens of Japanese ancestry to be rounded up and "re-located" into camps.
It is not without precedent that the government can and will suspend the rights of citizens if it is "popular"...

I'm glad to see that somebody understands history and recognized its significance and relevance to the present.

 

[BSA1]

Again I see Trump playing a great game of chess.

By saying "lets take the guns first, legal process later" he is forcing the Democrats into a corner.

If they agree with him then they are revealing that they want to all guns away from citizens anyway they can. He is getting them to say let's ignore all laws and just take the guns.

If they disagree then they have to explain why they support citizens owning firearms that cause so many deaths (it's the gun, not the person remember) and why they are not doing everything they can to protect the children.

The longer we talk the more information the Democrats will reveal about their true intentions.

Trump has not done anything to harm gun owners. Why are so many folks on THR so myopic that they are failing to see what is at risk in the November elections?

 

[ATLDave]

Donald Trump's familiarity with the fundamentals of legal process and constitutional rights is... remote. Always has been.

 

[entropy]

Better get used to saying "President Winfrey."

An infinitely more qualified candidate would be Condoleeza RIce. Smart, lots of experience, (particularly with foreign policy, something the last 40 years worth of POTUS hasn't been) and very pro 2A.

Again I see Trump playing a great game of chess.

....and asking "What does the horsey do again?"

The longer we talk the more information the Democrats will reveal about their true intentions.

It's no big secret, they've done so many times.