US HB3483 Introduced, Adds Exceptions For Firearm Prohibition For Marijuana

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Too bad it would only apply to residents of a legal state. Should apply to anyone (visitors), not just residents.
 
Gee. Lots of the tokers up here who like guns would be greatly relieved ... Although now I am left to wonder how the employers of some of us would handle this. Our department policies were revised shortly after Initiative 502 passed, to remind us that we still couldn't partake ...
 
I honestly can't say I agree with this. Letting people with impaired judgment have guns is a bad idea. In the states that allow recreational use, a person could get absolutely loaded while carrying and Federal law would now have no teeth. I have some sympathy for proper medicinal use (i.e., where it is prescribed in pill form with measured amounts, NOT smoking), but none whatsoever for people using recreationally while carrying.
 
I honestly can't say I agree with this. Letting people with impaired judgment have guns is a bad idea. In the states that allow recreational use, a person could get absolutely loaded while carrying and Federal law would now have no teeth. I have some sympathy for proper medicinal use (i.e., where it is prescribed in pill form with measured amounts, NOT smoking), but none whatsoever for people using recreationally while carrying.
There is still state law. You'd get nailed in CO carrying while stoned because you would be intoxicated.

Is there a specific federal law against being drunk with a gun or was it left to the states before as well?
 
I honestly can't say I agree with this. Letting people with impaired judgment have guns is a bad idea. In the states that allow recreational use, a person could get absolutely loaded while carrying and Federal law would now have no teeth. I have some sympathy for proper medicinal use (i.e., where it is prescribed in pill form with measured amounts, NOT smoking), but none whatsoever for people using recreationally while carrying.
Uh, no one said anything about using while carrying.

This would make blazing up exactly like how we handle drinking and firearms. They don't mix, but doing them separately will not land you in prison.

I don't smoke at all (pot or otherwise), but I'm completely against someone telling other people how to live their lives, so long as they aren't affecting anyone else.

They should just take all the drinking and guns laws, copy and paste do a CTRL+H (search a replace) and replace alcohol with marijuana. Problem solved, no rights violated.
 
I honestly can't say I agree with this. Letting people with impaired judgment have guns is a bad idea. In the states that allow recreational use, a person could get absolutely loaded while carrying and Federal law would now have no teeth. I have some sympathy for proper medicinal use (i.e., where it is prescribed in pill form with measured amounts, NOT smoking), but none whatsoever for people using recreationally while carrying.

It's not like people haven't been doing both for years, have you been playing ignorance all this time. Now the government says its ok and people will start speaking out and start more gun control debate, so sad. I honestly didn't think they would ever revive the form. To me, it just shows that they know its not as serious as THEY try and make it.

I still think its funny when people think a pothead with a gun is dangerous. They're too lazy to do anything and I guarantee they're in a great mood, lol.

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I honestly can't say I agree with this. Letting people with impaired judgment have guns is a bad idea. In the states that allow recreational use, a person could get absolutely loaded while carrying and Federal law would now have no teeth. I have some sympathy for proper medicinal use (i.e., where it is prescribed in pill form with measured amounts, NOT smoking), but none whatsoever for people using recreationally while carrying.
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Ill put it like this. I drink, sometimes I drink a lot, I don't use or carry my guns while drinking. I am still allowed to own my guns and buy new ones whenever the want strikes me.

This ammendment would only apply the same standard to a different substance that may or may not be on its way to becoming legal. If state law prevents you from carrying while intoxicated that standard would still apply.

Unfortunately I cannot picture this going anywhere Dems won't support it because they don't want to be soft on guns. Reps won't support it because they don't want to be soft on drugs.
 
Sounds good

Sadly it probably will only pass if there is a sudden outbreak of common sense.

Its no different from the current laws on alcohol. If you drink responsibly there is no issue. If you are an addict, no firearms...

I hope we see this pass.
 
...Federal law would now have no teeth.
Those words should be in our written goal somewhere. We should not lament when federal gun laws fall impotent.
...the current laws on alcohol. ... If you are an addict, no firearms...
There are no current (federal) laws on alcohol that would prohibit an addict from using/owning/possessing firearms.

There are some state level laws that prohibit the use while "intoxicated", but nothing I know of regarding addiction to alcohol.
 
We keep equating it to alcohol, this is something I have very notable issue with as it's effects are not the same as it when it comes to impairing ones judgement. This is something in which alcohol has a very notable impact, unlike weed. We would better off equating this to tobacco or caffeine.
 
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Letting people with impaired judgment have guns is a bad idea.
This says nothing about that.

WardenWolf said:
In the states that allow recreational use, a person could get absolutely loaded while carrying and Federal law would now have no teeth.
You clearly have no comprehension of this bill or the law to which it refers.

WardenWolf said:
I have some sympathy for proper medicinal use (i.e., where it is prescribed in pill form with measured amounts, NOT smoking), but none whatsoever for people using recreationally while carrying.

Which is not what at all what this bill is talking about.

Rather than clutching your pearls at that thought of gun-toting victims of reefer madness terrorizing the gentlefolk while the FBI shrugs and mumbles something about their hands being tied, read the proposed bill and the changes to the relevant sections of federal law.
 
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We keep equating it to alcohol, this is something I have very notable issue with as it's effects are not the same as it when it comes to impairing ones judgement. This is something in which alcohol has a very notable impact, unlike weed. We would better off equating this to tobacco or caffeine.

I disagree I think it is closest to alcohol and should be treated as such. Sure it is different, sure people tend to be too lazy while high to do as much of the stupid things they often do on alcohol, but it shares enough similarities.

People high on marijuana pose a risk driving. They have slowed reaction times. And in some people or after some period of time it can bring out mood swings. There is even some ties to increased schizophrenia rates in long term users. (And schizophrenia and firearms has some serious implications. Paranoid delusions and firearms for example are a bad combination.)
It also reduces short term memory both while under the effects and for quite some time afterwards. So those that use regularly tend to have relatively permanent reduced short term memory. Which makes them learn new things at a slower rate, forget various things, be less reliable, etc


Now I don't think it is as bad as many other drugs, and it might not be so bad if recreationally legal. People don't crave it to the extent of theft and robbery, identity theft, and various other forms of illegally acquiring money to support a habit generally.
Part of that is it being far less addictive, and part of that is that it typically is affordable and people don't have to resort to such things to supply a marijuana habit.
(That said I think many commonly prescribed medications are far worse, with worse side effects and long terms problems, while getting a fraction of the attention. With new ones coming out all the time. Making the current treatment of marijuana by contrast a joke.)




But if it is going to be legal and recreationally used then it should be treated like alcohol. People should be tested for driving impaired on it. Standards that can be tested for should be established. People should be subject to similar intoxicated in public statutes.
People should expect to have the deck stacked against them if they are high and use force against someone else. Just as when someone is drunk the police are far more likely to assume you did something wrong.


I was once someone that thought more favorably of marijuana. However I have seen it turn many people into less than they were prior. Sometimes less is still pretty good, but it is less.
I also think it should be thought of in terms of alcohol for recreational use.
Someone that must use alcohol regularly would be considered an alcoholic. People that drink occasionally when their responsibilities are less after getting what they need done and not all the time would not be.
Yet people seem to not apply that same logic if they support marijuana use. With getting high every day a regularly accepted thing. If you use marijuana all the time you are little different than an alcoholic.
People that get high early in the day, go in public high, go to work high, have to get high every day, or otherwise do things that wouldn't be acceptable ways to use alcohol should be held to the same standard.

As such I think alcohol as the closest thing used recreationally would be a good standard to use.
All the statutes relating to alcohol should be applied to marijuana as it relates to firearms, vehicles and heavy machinery, etc
 
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You might find this interesting.
http://www.cmanet.org/files/pdf/news/cma-cannabis-tac-white-paper-101411.pdf


In regards to driving, studies have found that while there are slower reaction times, a person driving on weed compensate, and if anything, drive too slow.

The link above says:
Cannabis smokers tend to over-estimate their impairment and compensate effectively while driving by utilizing a variety of behavioral strategies.

The other link I provided is interesting as well.


Now don't get me wrong. I don't advocate pot. I also don't advocate alcohol. I barely drink myself.

I do agree that it should be treated just like alcohol.

I also think its one of the biggest farces the govt has pulled over Americans' eyes.

Schedule 1 drug?... give me a break. The link in my other post talks specifically about this.
 
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