Nature Boy
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Yes he booked us for the same time next year.
well you’ll have that to look forward to
Yes he booked us for the same time next year.
I've only shot one deer with a Brenneke slug and it worked to perfection. They're more accurate than regular slugs, at least those I've fired.I don't have a vast array to choose from that I own. When after black bear, I bring my 30-06. For grizzly I'd use my 45-70 with garret Ammo. I also figure a pump action shotgun with some of the harder Bremeke slugs would be just fine.
I hunt sometimes in a very high populated bear traffic area. I primarily hunt deer in this area. I have hunted this area with 30-30 and also a 300 win mag depending on where I am hunting. Normally carry 44mag revolver in case I run into a bear that wants to be aggressive. Most bears I come close to I let them know I am there and they go the other way.
No way. With the right bullet, the .44 will double-up on penetration over virtually any rifle with an expanding bullet.The .30-30 with a good bullet is more capable on the bear than the .44 Magnum I would think, much less the .300 WM! And the rifle is probably already in your hand. I guess if either rifle is in a pack and not quickly accessible then a sidearm might be gotten to more quickly? I guess I am wondering, what is the .44 for?
No way. With the right bullet, the .44 will double-up on penetration over virtually any rifle with an expanding bullet.
I think that other than the dedicated handgun hunters, in your .30-30 scenario, the .44 staying on your chest or hip or whatever whilst you are field dressing/quartering your kill is the benefit, in big bear country, I have several rifles I'd trust first, but to drop my knife, shoulder my rifle, and hopefully remember to flick the safety off?? The revolvers (in general) are draw/cock(unless double action), aim/point, fire, repeat. The heavy semi's that have been referenced can be even simpler. Not saying the rifle would get dropped in favor of the handgun, just that when exposed and surprised, I'm quite comfortable drawing and firing and hitting any game sized target at any true self defense distances with little effort and if it's an adrenaline jacked surprise moment, I can retreat without wasting time fumbling around for my rifle.....I would not argue that either, but if the .30-30 were to be used for dual purpose on a hunt, hunting and defense (against a bear), I would choose a bullet appropriate to that use. The .30-30 has more velocity, FPE (pushing 2,000 FPE) and with the right bullet plenty of penetration. But even if not true, there is an old saying, something about a bird in hand is worth three in the bush. I am not going to drop a rifle and go hunting for a revolver when in such a situation as bear defense, time is probably very critical. If it were big brown bears I would feel under gunned with either which is why the summer I spent solo hiking at various places in Alaska, I mostly carried a .45-70 Guide Gun. Yeah, it was heavy, but so are those huge bear buster pistols, and frankly, I am a rifleman, not a pistolero .
I think that other than the dedicated handgun hunters, in your .30-30 scenario, the .44 staying on your chest or hip or whatever whilst you are field dressing/quartering your kill is the benefit, in big bear country, I have several rifles I'd trust first, but to drop my knife, shoulder my rifle, and hopefully remember to flick the safety off?? The revolvers (in general) are draw/cock(unless double action), aim/point, fire, repeat. The heavy semi's that have been referenced can be even simpler. Not saying the rifle would get dropped in favor of the handgun, just that when exposed and surprised, I'm quite comfortable drawing and firing and hitting any game sized target at any true self defense distances with little effort and if it's an adrenaline jacked surprise moment, I can retreat without wasting time fumbling around for my rifle.....