What's the deal with the Winchester White Box Bashing?

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I have fired many rounds of WWB through my guns, with two issues. Twice, the rounds were severely underpowered. As in, the recoil was 1/3 of that of the other rounds in the box, and it couldn't even cycle the slide.

Other than that, it's fine.
 
wow, that would scare me just a little. Luckily I haven't had that problem with them yet. Just curious, what caliber and roughly how many rounds of WWB would you guess that you've spent in that caliber? Just asking b/c I've only burned up around the 1000 mark.
 
Yeah, as long as you clean the primer pockets real well after the factory loads, the WWB has been some of my toughest, longest lasting brass. The factory loads are a bit on the dirty side, but give good accuracy at a great price.
 
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I've seen certain shooting range operators bash all over Win White Box and even not allow it at their ranges.

They may come up with some story about it being dangerous due to low or high charges, defective brass, or just dirty. They claim the 100-round boxes are not allowed but THEIR 50-round boxes are just fine. They may even say Wal*Mart buys the rejects as the 100-count boxes. Such stories are, of course, purest bunkum.

Truth is those certain shooting range operators hate to see a shooter come in with a couple bricks of Win White Box because they know they will not have an opportunity to sell the shooter a couple boxes of their overpriced range ammo. The shooter saved a bunch of money buying WWB at a big box store like Wal*Mart. That chaps the butts of those certain range owners who miss out on moving more overpriced ammo. So they create their "Dangerous WWB bulk pack" story and spread it around to the more gullible who then spread it themselves.
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This is so friggin' true. I remember the same bull**** about wolf rifle ammo years ago. Range owners mark up the price of ammo so high, its laughable. I am a member of an indoor shooting range and if you rent one of their guns, you must buy their ammo. They won't even allow brand new manufacture ammo. They get 25 bucks or more per.
 
Iv'e seen many competitive shooters using WWB. I reload so I cant comment, although I have used hundreds of brass from many different calibers with no problems.
 
It wasn't pistol ammo, but "back in the day" people used to say the same things about Sears-Roebuck branded shotgun shells. To hear them tell it, Sears branded buckshot would just bounce off a deer. The same load with Winchester stamped on it would stop a tank.

Never had a bit of trouble with WWB. Or Rem-UMC, Blazer Brass, American Eagle, Wolf or any other centerfire ammo really.
 
I have shot thousands upon thousands of WWB and not had any of them NOT go BANG.

Not so with the Federal ammo purchased as of late from Walmart, I have had many not go BANG.
 
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No, you're seeing WWB blasting ... because everyone is blasting away with the stuff at the range. The noise made it sound like "bashing", that's all.

I don't get the complaints at all ... sure you'll see a few failures here and there, it is cheap plinking ammo, not premium defensive stuff ... big deal, who cares?
For that matter, I see less failures in the WWB cheapo stuff than in more expensive ball ammo options, thus I; buy more WWB, shoot more WWB, store more WWB, and have more WWB brass on hand.

Now, it is loaded on the light side, which is a feature (not a bug) if you shoot antiques once in a while. I started keeping WWB on hand for my Walther P.1 (which is a few months older than I am) and it runs in every 9mm I own, from the KT carbine to the super-modern PPS and XD.
 
It's fine for range work, but not much else. I wouldn't use it for either hunting or self-defense. I've seen some real accuracy issues with some guns (my Browning Hi-Power hates it) but I've also seen it do pretty well in others. It's budget ammo. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
I like cheap, always did
I run 10X the round count of WW vs other/better
never had any issues whatever, any gun or caliber
Blaser is good too, just don't see much of it local here

ONLY flavor of cheap ammo I ever had any issues with was some American Eagle 38s CCC... would shed a 360 ring of "jacket" in forcing cones, typical once or twice per 50 round box... never once in my life ever saw that happen, before or since,,, I walk on by American Eagle stuff
 
My experience with WWB consists of 240 grain .44 Magnum that I bought at WalMart and shot through a S&W 629. It was all over the place on the paper! I was getting concerned and thinking I had bought a POS gun until I tried MagTech and some handloads that put the gun right on the money. Needless to say, no more WWB for me, at least in .44 Magnum.
 
I don't have issues with WWB 9mm but I do like the aluminum case Blazers better. Some autos don't like the aluminum cases but consitency and accuracy seem better.
 
WWB is very dirty and fairly underpowered, but it is cheap ammo after all.

Remington UMC IMO is the worst handgun ammo that's readily available. Their Golden Bullets (22lr) set the standard for "crap ammo" as well...
 
ditto on Rem. 22 Golden Bullet, the bottom bar for bad. They make other rounds that are good though.
W. White I think are good for the price. I suspect that when ammo was being horded and they couldn't keep up with supply there may have been some lower quality batches, but I can't say from experience, because I could hardly get any, but what little I could get shot fine, as always. No failures.
but then, an HK will make any ammo look good (smiles his jolly smile)
all in all, I use it, and have been satisfied with it, and I use Federal, but I use more MagTech than any other.
 
some American Eagle 38s CCC... would shed a 360 ring of "jacket" in forcing cones, typical once or twice per 50 round box... never once in my life ever saw that happen, before or since,,,
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Potentially scary stuff could happen...:eek:
 
I find the "dirty" ammo stories amusing. When you fire the best JHP calibers money can buy, does that mean you can stop cleaning your firearm? If so the term "dirty" might be appropriate. As far as I know all firearms must be cleaned of powder residue to continue to operate dependably regardless of the amount of residue. That being said, the term become irrelevant IMO. You still have to clean the firearm.

This falls somewhere on the list you hear on gun forums:

1.Putting a laser dot on a BG makes him freeze
2. Racking a shotgun makes a BG poop his pants
3. If you use a Serpa you will die when pebbles get in it cause Suarez says so.

WWB? Love the stuff. thousands of rounds through my firearms and not one defective round. What's not to like? Still gotta clean the firearms when I get home from the range.
 
Maybe some kind of clean burning hydrogen based gun powder instead of carbon, or Liquid/gas gunpowder. Burns so clean that you only need to clean the barrel once in a while for leading or copper fouling.... hmmmm, I'm off to the drawing board!:D
 
At least with WWB I haven't seen any spontaneous jacket separation like I have with Federal Champion. I've never seen that before with fmj, I suppose that mean it has an especially thin jacket.
 
I've never had a problem with WWB used in revolvers. In fact I like the WWB JHP offerings in .357 and .38+P.

I don't like WWB in .32 ACP at all. The types I've used have a FMJ truncated nose which I guess was made for use in a Seecamp. In my Guardian the WWB is a jammer.
 
Only thing that I won't shoot anymore is Wolf. By dirty, I mean that there were literally clumps of powder in the barrel rifling. Powder marks all the way down the slide. It fired, it was decently accurate for range ammo, but that is my standard for dirty on a handgun. Yes, I clean mine (99% of the time) when I get home, regardless of how many rounds I fired. WWB is fine, and I have probably 5-600 rounds of it somewhere in the house...

That being said, if it goes bang, it's good enough to take to the range. Let my life depend on it? Not so much.
 
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