I pull way off so my passenger-side wheels are off the asphalt. This keeps the officer's butt out of traffic.
All windows lowered to prevent reflection and allow easy visibility. Engine remains completely turned-off.
An officer may not employ deadly force for one's "not doing" anything.Everyone is talking about very explicit steps to avoid getting shot by the police. That's not necessary. A cop won't shoot you for not following some unwritten rules
NO! An officer may not shoot to enforce compliance with his orders. The officers fired in self defense because the man was reaching for a firearm.this idiot got shot for blatant disregard of the officers orders
Which is also why they should avoid yelling confusing unclear things at (occasionally) innocent motorists, too. Loudly barking, "STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN, motherf*****r!" does not help matters, for example.<snip> "…By far the main reason anyone is ever shot by the police is when they don't follow the orders of the police. If you don't follow orders things may go sideways…"
So true. Police are trained to have only one cop communicating with the suspect to avoid confusion. In the video for this thread the guy near the suspects window does the communication. If another cop thinks it's time for the suspect to get out of the car, he should bite his tongue. Only one cop should be giving commands.Which is also why they should avoid yelling confusing unclear things at (occasionally) innocent motorists, too. Loudly barking, "STAND DOWN! STAND DOWN, motherf*****r!" does not help matters.
So true. Police are trained to have only one cop communicating with the suspect to avoid confusion. In the video for this thread the guy near the suspects window does the communication. If another cop thinks it's time for the suspect to get out of the car, he should bite his tongue. Only one cop should be giving commands.
I am Hispanic from Northern NM and could easily pass as Afghani, Saudi, Syrian, or any other Mid Eastern threat. The officer was a young very white man named Smith, most likely from one of the nearby Mormon communities. I am used to profiling and have lived with it all my life. After 9-11 was an interesting time, I've been stopped by TSA, had my hands sniffed by the scanners, bags searched, etc. But by simply complying with this young officers requests in a respectful manner there were zero issues.
Be polite, show respect.
Yeah, most folks up here wouldn't think of this even during the two weeks of the year it's not raining. The officer should politely ask you to roll down a specific window should he need a better look in the rear of the vehicle or backseat area.All windows lowered to prevent reflection and allow easy visibility.
Yes, thank you Shawn for injecting common sense into the thread.Cops are used to folks digging through their glovebox or console to look for registration and proof of insurance to have it ready. Nearly everybody does it. They're common, expected movements, not furtive.
While I'd agree that it happens way too often, I can tell you from experience that, especially after a pursuit, everyone gets amped up, and it typically occurs when more than two officers are on scene (especially in rapidly evolving circumstances when everyone jumps out of their units at once and runs to the suspect vehicle). There can be anxiousness on both sides. Officers are only human, and sometimes it takes a couple minutes or more for everyone to calm down and get organized.Unfortunately man cops either aren't trained to do this or forget. Happens way too often.
But not his license and registration.LEO officer had his passport
If he refused to sign the ticket, he would have been arrested.could have gave him a ticket and sent him on his way.
Current doctrine, at least as far as my last department went, was you did not want anyone exiting the vehicle unless it was a felony hot stop, and only then, after you had at least two (preferably four) back-up officers on the scene. If it's a routine stop, unless you're getting the driver out for an FST, there's zero reason for anyone to get out of the vehicle. That's officer safety.It's probably worth mentioning that law enforcement can request the driver or any passengers to get out of the vehicle at any time on a traffic stop. The Supreme Court has upheld this on multiple occasions and cites officer safety.
The takeaway is that don't give an officer reason to want to get you out of the vehicle, but if it happens have a plan for how you will inform the officer that you are carrying.
Current doctrine, at least as far as my last department went, was you did not want anyone exiting the vehicle unless it was a felony hot stop, and only then, after you had at least two (preferably four) back-up officers on the scene. If it's a routine stop, unless you're getting the driver out for an FST, there's zero reason for anyone to get out of the vehicle. That's officer safety.
Yeah, there were online classes on how to posture yourself as a sovereign citizen so you didn’t have to pay taxes. I’m sure the IRS accepted that. Some also believed they didn’t require licenses, plates, or insurance.Strange breed indeed. Mentally ill people imagine themselves into states of being all the time. A lot of them convince other people that they are correct, and those people follow blindly. Believing that you are not subject to the laws, and law enforcement of the country that you are in, can result in some pretty harsh reality. Sad.
At the risk of not meeting the current standards of political correctness and/or wokeness...I always tell my friends if you are stopped, the best thing you can do is keep the atmosphere light, if you can be humorous and get the cop to laugh, even better. As soon as you argue, your chances of escaping without a ticket are practically nil.
Had a friend who got pulled over in a small Eastern WA town and asked the cop, "Which one are you, Andy or Barney?"That is until I opened my big mouth and said something about I was glad not to "have to go down to the courthouse and see Andy to pay my fine". Got the ticket and a five minute lecture on the side of the road about the professionalism of the North Carolina State Police.