When Officers Reed and Malloy Pull us Over

[ms6852]

I started paying more attention to the sovereign citizen movement in the 90's, as I started encountering more of them at work. They've fallen under the umbrella of different groups and names. During the early 2000's I thought it was interesting that some folks claiming to be part of the movement would sometimes talk about offering less resistance to sheriffs (being elected by the people) than to city and state peace officers. They can be dangerous. Obviously.

One of the things I sometimes saw was the incredible amount of 'legal' paperwork some of them would generate. Some of it could become vexing if you were the focus of it.

What always amazes me is that they still want all the benefits that a civilized society offers but that they don't have to follow the laws.

 

[Stevel]

They could not know that it was his. He implied that it was not.
Wouldn't mean anything. Need a signature. And he needs to provide it or go with them in the back seat.
Once he had broken the law by refusing to provide the necessary papers. he was required to get out to be arrested.
Nope. They shot him in self defense when he drew his gun.

Where do you get these ideas?

Please. They run his name or his vin and his name and all his information comes up on their screen; open warrants, car registration, drivers license & photo, etc. Don't have that, perhaps a palm scanner that many departments use. They don't need a signature either, they have the stop recorded on body cams and can show they gave it to him.

They escalated a situation and killed a kid that didn't need to be killed. Look at "Audit the Audit" or many other channels for hundreds of examples where cops escalate situations, often causing their municipalities hundreds of thousands of dollars and the cops their jobs, or jail time.

 

[Jeff White]

And with that, this discussion is done. We've drifted way too far outside the scope of this forum.