Who Would Choose .357 Mag Over .45 ACP For Home Defense?

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Most home-invasion confrontations won't require more than 3 shots to neutralize, so ammo shouldn't be an issue (but I'd still want more capacity than the SP-101 has to offer). Over-penetration can be called a non-issue. Penetration is no longer caliber dependent due to modern ammunition options. Quality sub-sonic hollow-points, frangible rounds, safety slugs, pow'r ball, etc... A 357 revolver with 6 shots or more is a fine home defense weapon by any reasonable account.

Most confrontations don't concern me, I'm only interested in the confrontation that directly involves me. Recently I hear reports of home invasions with multiple BGs, I'm pretty good but under stress a six shooter and 3 BGs gives them an unfair advantage. As to over-penetration being a non-issue, the longest sight line inside my home is 60 feet but most sight lines in my house are less than 20 feet. That means your .357 mag at +- 20 foot range with only soft tissue involvement results in the projectile leaving the target with enough energy to clear exterior walls and still be lethal. Unless you live alone in a cave over-penetration should always be a concern. I would recommend you investigate how much you trust the claims of frangible rounds to protect your family from over-penetration and ricochet fire.
 
45ACP over .357 12 ga Over Both

My choice would be the 45 over .357. The over penetration issue would be a biggie. I also like a revolver in 45 ACP

I would prefer a 12 ga pump with the 45 as a back up. There is just something about the racking of a pump shotgun that gets folks attention.

If you do not have to fire there is a lot less paperwork and liability.


"My Humble Southern Opinion"
 
Does "both" work? I would use my Para in .45 ACP, with a 5 shot .357 snubbie as the backup in the wife's hands. I shoot alot and train on clearing jams, and reloading. My wife and my father do not shoot very often, so they don't really have a good skill level in handling a semi-auto (imho) so I got her a 5 shot .357 and I got him a 3" model 13. No adjustable sights to get banged out of alignment, no safety and no cycling jams.

LD
 
If recoil, blast, and overpenetration concern you, get yourself a few boxes of the Speer 135 grain GDHP's or something equivalent. You still get most of the .357's power but you give up much of the bad stuff.
FWIW, assuming that both guns are reliable and you can shoot both equally well, I also say "why get rid of anything?"
 
45 in left hand, 357 in right

:D Works for me, I'm lefthanded

There is both a 1911 .45 and a Ruger Blackhawk .357 in arms reach of my pillow, I like options.... but if I have a few steps to give the numbers come up rem 870.
 
Pretty cool thread-Interesting

To me this seems easy because of the advantages of the .45acp Auto-Mine have 13 or 14 rounds- My .357 has 7 rounds.

I did not read the entire thread, so I am not sure if any LE or EX-LE answered. I am EX LE and because I was exposed to a higher number of gun fight incidents then normal. I prefer number of rounds as my Criteria for self-defense. [ I stick to the current major calibers-9mm-.40 and .45 ] I worked a lot of higher up drug dealers back then-setting them up-then making a timely raid. [In my experience higher end Drug Dealers were always well armed and they did not care who they shot-killed-could be, LE, Friends, partners, family,relatives, girl-friends etc.] My carry weapon back then was a .357 Magnum-Auto's were not prevalent yet at all. Most undercover Detectives had Revolvers and Department issued Auto's for street officers to my knowlege were extemely rare then. I will be 53 this summer. My LE career ended a little past my 8th year. My Right Hip was shattered by two .45 slugs. [Artificial Hips are a Blessing!] No return Fire from me-I ran out of Ammo-Thank God I lived-My partner at the time was no so lucky, He Died. Since none of us can predict how many, or how well armed the BG's might be if they break into our home. Having High-Cap Weapons is your Best Defense. Extra Loaded Mags and even extra loaded weapons is also a good idea:evil:

The Best to All!

Frank
 
Neither...for home defense I go for my shotgun. My home is my territory in which I am well prepared. Although a .45 ACP auto is on my nightstand, a puny side arm would be my last choice of self-defense.

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Whoa! Excuse me for livin'!

.45 - bigger heavier bullets stop aggressors faster
An old acquaintance or two at the FBI may disagree with you. If memory serves, the 357 mag has the highest number of one-shot-stops in FBI history (out of handguns, guys. No need to bring shoulder-launched missiles into the mix).
Most confrontations don't concern me, I'm only interested in the confrontation that directly involves me. Recently I hear reports of home invasions with multiple BGs, I'm pretty good but under stress a six shooter and 3 BGs gives them an unfair advantage.
Sorry, I don't recall you being the OP, sending me the latest copy of your local paper, or taking the spare time to describe the layout of your particular domicile. I beg your pardon, heart in throat. The point is conceded: Remember to arm yourself after local conditions have been taken into account.
That means your .357 mag at +- 20 foot range with only soft tissue involvement results in the projectile leaving the target with enough energy to clear exterior walls and still be lethal.
Really? Which load? Are we under the impression all defensive loads are created equal now?
I would recommend you investigate how much you trust the claims of frangible rounds to protect your family from over-penetration and ricochet fire.
What family? Come to think of it, when did the OP say HE had a family? Not to say he does one way or the other, just step lightly when making assumptions, k friend? Moving on: Where did I explicitly recommend frangible rounds? Passing mention means a rousing endorsement nowadays?
Here's the part you hit dead on the head: If one intends to trust a round for PD/HD, do your own testing. I never carry a round I haven't tested myself. Expensive? Youbetcha. Worth it? Oh, yes. Enlightening? You have no idea. You'd be surprised what you can get a cartridge to do/not do with the right factory loading. For example: Would you believe I have fired 357 mags that get the standard 10" penetration and AREN'T torso shattering, house-leveling, nuclear-grade munitions?
Unless you live alone in a cave
How do ya know I don't? ;)
 
Let me rephrase this...

under stress a six shooter and 3 BGs gives them an unfair advantage.

How about, "under any circumstances, armed with any weapon, 3 BGs gives them an almost insurmountable advantage."

If the other two don't haul oats when the first one gets shot, you're probably going to die. Even if all three of them end up feeding the worms alongside you, you still lost.

Multiple determined people almost always defeat single determined people, for the same reason that large armies usually beat small ones.

The multiple attackers scenario is not persuasive, because it is either survivable regardless of handgun capacity (they stop when you fight back), or not survivable regardless of handgun capacity (they don't).

--Shannon
 
I live in an RV inside a recreational vehicle resort and have a lot of things to think about when it comes to home defense. First off, there are other thin skinned RVs all around us and penetration is even more of a consideration than in a common neighborhood.

Add that to the fact that just down the street last night, a 24 year old woman was murdered (by bludgeon) along with her infant son. The two innocents were brutally murdered and anyone exhibiting that kind of anger demands a weapon that's equally nasty as a counterforce. It makes you doubly think about defense, especially when I have a wife and small dog to worry about, too. Not being a wealthy man, I have few choices, in that this is a "come as you are" type of thing.

I have 2 long guns that could be used, but they were discounted out of hand right away. The .22 Winchester is out for obvious reasons, not the least of which is that even a carbine length longarm is too long inside a Class-A, ditto for my 18 1/2" Remington 870. So, for us, it's the handgun.

Choices are: 6" Colt Trooper MKIII .357, S&W 2 1/2" 686 Plus (.357 Magnum), and Sig-Sauer P-226 in 9mm.

I eventually chose the S&W. The .357 may have more penetration than the 9mm, but the short barrel mitigates velocity. The Colt is too long in the barrel and has near maximum velocity with the .357 due to its 6" barrel-more penetration than the snubby Smith. I need compactness, a hard-hitting, thumpin' caliber and good capacity. The Sig might take at least a double-tap, due to the 9mm caliber, and the less rounds the better in an RV. The reason I had to choose only 1 gun is that RVs are essentially vehicles and RVs get broken into with more regularity than a house. There are also fewer hiding places for a weapon cache, so my "extras" are stored securely locked up offsite.

I chose the S&W as the house gun after I shot it against a S&W 9mm M&P compact and there was no comparison. The .357 smacked the targets (chunks of sawn lumber) with authority, sending the pieces rocketing off into the scrub brush. The 9mm zipped through the wood and the target just fell over after being hit. Both guns used hollowpoints. When you have 7 rounds vice 16 rounds, you want a bullet that hits like a hammer. Because the Smith is compact, I can also conceal carry it away from the rig.

Every HD scenario has its good and bad points. You have to weigh everything and have good, well thought out reasons for choosing the gun you settle on to defend you and yours.

The horrible events of last night serve to reinforce that your desire to have protection is a good choice and anything can happen to destroy lives. Either down the street or right inside your front door. Give HD a lot of careful thought, then act on your solutions.
 
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Obviously the most arguments are between the 45acp and a 357... among those arguments are over penetration, hearing loss and muzzle flash. As far as this is concerned IMO both are going to be extremely loud in a typical house (enclosed), and if the lights are out when when fired there WILL be a blinding muzzle flash. My 1911 is extremely loud... even outdoors without plugs, this is also very true with my model 66-2 and I would rather not fire either one indoors unless I had too, these will both cause permanent hearing damage, and temporary blindness. This being said I wouldn't hesitate to use either one in a life threatening situation... it all boils down to whats more important... you and/or your families life, or a little hearing loss... I choose hearing loss. As far as over penetration is concerned I agree with earlier posts... with modern production self defense ammo, this is of no concern. My only concern is how easy it is for me and/or my family to operate said pistol in a clutch situation. Again in IMO with the reliability and the simplicity of the pistol, the .357 is hands down the easiest to use by anyone in the family (again, I go back to an earlier post, stating the most one shot man stoppers). Just my 2 cents... take it with a grain of salt.
 
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45, for one reason, less muzzle flash! i have shot both very near dusk with several different types of ammo. the 357 ALWAYS had more muzzle flash than the 45. the last thing you need is to be temporarily blinded in the middle of a gunfight.
 
A .45 may cause less muzzle flash than the .357... but in the event you are shooting in the dark (for whatever reason) either one will blind you. Here is my reasoning... If its dark in your house its probably because you are asleep and your eyes are adjusted to complete darkness from being closed and your pupils are extremely dilated. That's why when you get up in the middle of the night to go take a leak, flipping on the bathroom lights hurts your eyes so much and makes you squint so hard... try looking directly at the lightbulb instead of the floor next time you wake up in the middle of the night. The bathroom light ain't that bright it just too much for your extremely dilated pupils to handle. The muzzle flash of a firearm is brighter than that bathroom light is. It's also concentrated right in front of your face and then gone just as quick as it was there, leaving your eyes trying to figure out what the hell just happened. I am willing to bet that staring at the bulb after you've been asleep for a few hours and then quickly flipping it on then off will cause temporary blindness... Now I'm just rambling, sorry :eek: ... and again just my 2 cents.
 
Totally OT but, anyone who is really concerned with HD should *probably* consider spending the next 3-400 bucks that might go to yet another sidearm on a good night/low light shooting class, if they have not yet had the experience.

Be sure to take the 2 1/2-inch .357, for at least a few cylinders...
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How about the best of both

Sorry if this is redundant, I only read the first 5 replies before posting. :what::evil:
I would not use an auto for HD. One simple reason. Limp wrist jams. If everything goes to hell and I'm wounded, or if I'm down and my SO has to take over a firm grasp is not a sure thing. So I opt for the revolver. However, having done some research on shooting in dark conditions, I prefer the GDHP, so I have a 45ACP revolver with my favorite load.
Somewhere around here I have a picture of a .357 125grn GDHP from a 4inch GP100. The fireball is diameter bigger than a basketball, bright yellow and more than 2 feet long. There's a yard stick in the photo. Very impressive.

All that said, one can buy GDHPs for 38 Special velocities, and load your own to +P or +P+ levels with a low flash powder, if you load your own.
 
I would choose the .357 over the .45ACP. I can shoot a .357 better than a 45. I personally would not rule out using a good .38 special round for HD, with a couple of speed loaders filled with .357.
 
I'm telling, if you've ever been "shell shocked" by an explosion or powerful gunshot in close quarters, you'd think again about the 357 for HD if you have other choices. I did it for while, then I experienced what it was like, and I will never again pick up my 357's for HD when I have a 9mm/45 close by. One shot from a stout 357 load indoors without plugs will have YOU incapacitated for at least 5-7 seconds.
 
Isn't using a magnum for SD one of the top No-Nos on the list?

Use the Sig. It won't blind you or deafen you nearly as much and good 185gr. +Ps are just as effective as a .357.
 
Just an observation, Running my .45 outdoors without hearing protection, hurts and I have noticeable hearing loss for a few hours. So I have to assume running it inside is gonna hurt more.
 
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