Why no 32 Super Auto?

[pairof44sp]

While Europe had .32 auto in use in police and military, this country tended to go big. Everybody wanted a ,45 since that's what our military used.

Getting military and police here to use 9mm took forever.

Good luck pushing a ".30".

Thank you for that timely lead-in... Ladies and Gentleman:

Federal Premium, in cooperation with the "Why no .32 Super Auto" thread, proudly introduces the

Federal 30 Super Carry

 

[Viper1357]

Well if I could get my hands on some 7.65×20mm Long (as mention a few times here) I could shoot it out of my SACM M 1935A makeshift '.32 Super Auto'. I have fired (a few) .32 acp out of it, but it's not powerful enough to eject and rechamber. Yeah, I know about head space and extractor concerns, but just saying in a pinch it works. Just not quite a Super Auto though...

 

[Monac]

What is the muzzle energy of the factory 32 Super Carry round? People in other threads about it have been talking about chamber pressure, but kinetic energy is something I understand better. I'd Google it, but it is so new that I thought I would ask here instead.

 

[bersaguy]

What is the muzzle energy of the factory 32 Super Carry round? People in other threads about it have been talking about chamber pressure, but kinetic energy is something I understand better. I'd Google it, but it is so new that I thought I would ask here instead.

Looks to be just a hair under 9mm at 347 ft/lbs

 

[bersaguy]

I understand Nighthawk is coming out with one, I'll probably have to wait until Ruger or someone else rolls one out, but I may have go and get me one. Still think they shoulda called it 32 Super

 

[Old_Grouch]

What is the muzzle energy of the factory 32 Super Carry round? People in other threads about it have been talking about chamber pressure, but kinetic energy is something I understand better. I'd Google it, but it is so new that I thought I would ask here instead.

You Asked for it, You Got It; .30 Super Carry.

 

[Monac]

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Looks to be just a hair under 9mm at 347 ft/lbs

You Asked for it, You Got It; .30 Super Carry.

Thank you both, bersaguy and Old_Grouch, and I apologize for having been too lazy to dig this information out of the main thread on this new cartridge.

It looks to me like the manufacturer was aiming squarely at a 9mm Parabellum level of power and hit the mark, as bersaguy says. This is very sensible considering 9mm Para's popularity, concerns about adequate "stopping power", and the dislike of many people for more powerful rounds like 40 S&W. I might have suggested toning down the power a bit in order to get milder recoil in small pistols, but simply using lighter bullets than 9mm should be a step in that direction. Also, I don't shoot a lot any more, and that probably biases me toward light recoil.

This is an interesting development, and I hope it does well. Thanks again!

 

[Demi-human]

32 Super.

To go with 38 Super, and 45 Super. These are the Supers to the Automatics. 32 Auto, 38 Auto and 45 Auto. There’s even a 25 Sooper, but it’s a necked down 32, not a Supe’d up 25 Auto. But I digress.

So, this is a carry version of a 30 caliber super cartridge with no automatic parent cartridge?

Oh, but wait. It takes a common bullet that every other thirty two caliber cartridge uses. But that can’t be, it clearly states this is a .30 caliber round…

Yeah, I know we covered the reasons why in the debut thread, but I’m not over it yet! How hard was it to call it what it is! A 32 Super! I thought these were gun people?!

Alright, okay. I’m done now. Just, dang, you know. Don’t they think about this stuff from a logical point of view?

Now I’m going to have to scratch a “two” over the chamber stamp of my $4k Knighthawk Custom 1911…


Well, maybe I’m a little more Kimber Micro30. Oh, that even sounds nice! Maybe they can bring back the Bel Aire color schemes! We can start calling it the gentleman’s cartridge!

 

[TTv2]

I suspect that with the revival of interest in .32's that someone is going to offer something in the caliber that's more powerful than .32 ACP whilst being straight wall and rimless so as to increase capacity in stuff like the P365 or Ruger Maxx over 9mm/.380. I say the capacity is not important at all, after 10 rds if the threat isn't stopped you've got bigger problems than another 10 rds or more can handle. The .32 NAA is already the answer to a more effective pocket pistol caliber than .380, but nobody wants to make them for the reasons I just listed.

I'm prophetic.

 

[Demi-human]

I'm prophetic.

You should have told me they were going to screw up the name, so I wouldn’t have been so disappointed!

 

[Old_Grouch]

How hard was it to call it what it is! A 32 Super!

It would have been very easy, which is probably why they didn't. It's about perception and marketing.
.32 Super? Meh, just another .32.

There are two groups of consumers that merchandisers don't have to take into account:
One is the early adopters. Those who are excited about anything new and different. They'll buy the latest whatsit no matter what name it's given or color it's painted. (think Pontiac Aztec or Nissan Cube buyers). (My apologies to any Cube or Aztec owners reading this. )
The other group is the "That doesn't suit my needs or taste so it shouldn't even exist" or "I don't want it so nobody else should either" group. The manufactures know what people in those two categories are going to do while the product is still on the drawing table. They're fly-over country. No need for campaigning there.
It's the people in between those two, the majority of consumers, that has to be marketed to. I think calling it a .30 probably pushes more of them to the "Wow! Something new and different" side.

 

[Demi-human]

Those who are excited about anything new and different. They'll buy the latest whatsit no matter what name it's given or color it's painted.

You’ve found me out!
Yeah, I might have a .224 Valk I don’t shoot very much…
Maybe Kimber will hear me about a Micro30.

 

[lincen]

I’m very pleased that this cartridge and the S&W handguns have hit the market. I’m neck deep in 32 caliber in revolvers and semiautos but am waiting to see who else will make handguns for this round. The thought crossed my mind of a 7 or 8 round revolver with a 3” barrel. Also reminds me that in some countries, hopefully never our own, that military calibers are not available to the civilian population. This would be a great round IF that ever happens……

 

[Atomross13]

I find the new 30 super carry an interesting idea to try. I will wait for some real world tests from someone other than manufacture before I buy one to set next to my .40S&W carry pistol.

 

[starling]

I find the new 30 super carry an interesting idea to try. I will wait for some real world tests from someone other than manufacture before I buy one to set next to my .40S&W carry pistol.

Why waste your time. Move up to 10mm if you want to go beyond 40S&W (my prefered carry as well). I was a supporter of this round early on but after seeing the specs and this push for it as a civilian replacement for 9mm I am boycotting it. It gives you nothing over 9mm other than more expensive ammo. Its an anti gunners wet dream. 9mm double stacks are already thin enough to the point most people make them thicker with hogues. I will stick to military 32 super duper 7.62x25. 7.5 FK.... thats a nice round. This 30 federal super woke is a joke. Its going to be dead in a year or two. Then the guns will be dumped on the market to get rid of the inventory.

 

[Demi-human]

My! That escalated quickly!

Who would have thought an ammunition company giving us what we want meant they actually don’t want us as customers…

after seeing the specs and this push for it as a civilian replacement for 9mm

What? Where was this? Are we reading the same thread as you are?

Why waste your time. Move up to 10mm if you want to go beyond 40S&W

Whoosh!

 

[starling]

watch the video. Its pretty clear what the narrative is.

 

[Old_Grouch]

Why waste your time. Move up to 10mm if you want to go beyond 40S&W (my prefered carry as well). I was a supporter of this round early on but after seeing the specs and this push for it as a civilian replacement for 9mm I am boycotting it. It gives you nothing over 9mm other than more expensive ammo. Its an anti gunners wet dream. 9mm double stacks are already thin enough to the point most people make them thicker with hogues. I will stick to military 32 super duper 7.62x25. 7.5 FK.... thats a nice round. This 30 federal super woke is a joke. Its going to be dead in a year or two. Then the guns will be dumped on the market to get rid of the inventory.

So does this mean you're in the second consumer group I mentioned in my post above?

 

[Demi-human]

Its pretty clear what the narrative is.

To give smaller pistols more cartridges that still passes the FBI’s standards of measuring effectiveness?


Because legislation would have to be proposed in the house and senate to curtail civilian ownership of “military cartridges” for the tin hat stuff. Just marketing another cartridge is not, whatever it is you’re paranoid about…

Was this argument brought up with the introduction of 224 Valkyrie or 350 Legend?

Why should there not be a choice if someone was off put by a certain cartridge or it’s use with other groups?


Hold on. What was it that Samuel Clemens said about arguing with certain humans?

 

[starling]

So does this mean you're in the second consumer group I mentioned in my post above?

Not really. I like new things. I just see though anti gun tactics. 9mm will be pushed as weapons of war and be demonized. This should have been a replacement for 32acp or 380acp. Ask this.... what exactly does this do over 9mm? Versatility... nope, Cost... Nope, Availability....nope, Performance.... nope, Shootability.... nope. Its a classic bait and switch and people that have not been around the anti gun scene very long (or never pay attention) are falling for it. Radar went off when I looked at the specs and the video just confimed it further.

 

[CapnMac]

watch the video. Its pretty clear what the narrative is.

Buy our ammo and make us rich on the profits?

 

[starling]

Buy our ammo and make us rich on the profits?

if that was the message they would just promote the top selling ammo that is the cheapest for them to manufacture.

Maybe you folks should rewatch it. Its not exactly subtle.

 

[CapnMac]

Its not exactly subtle.

You are asking us to agree to an assertion that a ammunition manufacturer is marketing an ammunition meant to disarm the commonweal?
You do realize that's a bit like like asserting that there is a petroleum refiners marketing a gasoline meant to encourage electric car use, yes?

I'd be willing to wager that all of Federal's products make a similar amount of profit, else, they'd not make them. Making products for sale that do not create profit is not a road to success as a manufacturer.
A retailer can run "loss leaders" on the theory of "impulse buying" offsetting the null or negative profit. A manufacturer cannot do that.

 

[Terry G]

What would be the market? I got a couple of Gun Magazines as "stocking stuffer's" and was made aware there are even more 9MM Compact and Sub Compact guns out there that I have never heard of. Same can be said of .380's, even double stack .380's. You really think a .32 Super would sell?

 

[starling]

You are asking us to agree to an assertion that a ammunition manufacturer is marketing an ammunition meant to disarm the commonweal?
You do realize that's a bit like like asserting that there is a petroleum refiners marketing a gasoline meant to encourage electric car use, yes?

I'd be willing to wager that all of Federal's products make a similar amount of profit, else, they'd not make them. Making products for sale that do not create profit is not a road to success as a manufacturer.
A retailer can run "loss leaders" on the theory of "impulse buying" offsetting the null or negative profit. A manufacturer cannot do that.

Federal doesnt care about the commonwealth having military calibers for CCW. They care about profits. If they can make more money by signing onto this "weapons of war" .... "assault pistols" type propoganda then they will. If they can con the public into some new view of 9mm... too much/not enough then they will. If you dont understand that then there is not much more to say. Its right in the video.

Sheesh...Nobody can spot a con anymore these days. This a why this country is in such bad shape. FBI goes woke and everybody literally believes smaller and weaker is better. Some tubby who needs a shave and a decent shirt convincing you a few more rounds of 32 "super" is better than 9mm/38 super (let alone 45acp) in a 1911 platform. Then he backs it up by shooting salad and some metal carnival targets. Its rediculous. Cant wait for the orange Jell-o tests!

So 9mm is not the best for carry.... here is the new 30super .... performs almost as well as 9mm! So which is it Federal? If this new round is so ideal what LE is currently signed on with it?

Once the initial market dump is done and people think critically absent silly videos they will ask..... why? 40s&w made sense as did 357sig (still does). This is just lazy all the way around. Get this performance out of a 380 size pistol with an actual 30 cal and you might have something. Try and replace 9mm performance for a couple extra rounds..... I can spend $30 or so on a mag base and get that while keeping 9mm performance, cost, versatility of ammo etc. etc.

Federal done lost their minds with this one. They would have been better off marketing a simple load in different recoil levels for new shooters and CCW holders. Soft, Med, Heavy recoil 9mm... new shooters buy a box of each for their gun and decide what was most comfortable for them..... DUH. Make some pink boxes for a Womens line and you are all set.

Serious question now.... 30 super VS 40S&W?