Why the hate for the XD?
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Ohen Cepel
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My pet peeve with the Xd rest more in the way Springfield bought the rights to it and pretty much doubled it's price for doing little more than stamping their name on it back around 2000 or so.
That is simply my gripe about it. I think it is a good pistol and a very valid option.
Certain maker's "fan boys" can get tiring at times........
That is simply my gripe about it. I think it is a good pistol and a very valid option.
Certain maker's "fan boys" can get tiring at times........
My first handgun was an XDM. I sold it because of my astigmatism. I needed XS sights and to get those on that Springfield I would have had to send it in. But with Glocks I can install them in 10 minutes with simple tools. Almost when I did go to the dark side I found the trigger especially with a 3.5 connector to be very superior to the Springfield. So much so one day at the range I had a hard time switching between guns. A trigger for an XDM at the time was 125 bucks and from the research I did was a pain. But on the Glock a connector takes 5 minutes, a full trigger replacement about 15. I think for a gun you have no desires to fiddle or customize the Springfields are great. But for guys who can't see regular sights and need to change them as soon as the gun gets home from the store, Glock. No malfunctions or issues with the XDM. I may be a Glock fan boy but I respect all pistols more or less. Just Glock fits my needs perfectly. So now I own/owned a half dozen. No issues.
Yep, they are very boring lol and not at all attractive! Kinda what the wife says about me lol but she says I'm fun from time to time lol!
hemiram
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I'm not a fan of the XD or Glock, but I don't hate them. They just aren't on my list of guns I would consider buying. But I would take either of them over a 1911, a gun I will let other people have, with pleasure.
Plan2Live
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You are an adult, correct? Then 1) why do you care what other people think and 2) why are you using Facebook?
guyfromohio
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I did some training some time ago. Listened carefully, took their advice, learned much, and improved my skill level. However, I was a little deflated when I started watching some gun videos from the more name-recognized. Much of the gun-option portion of the training was just regurgitated dribble....1911s are dangerous for CC, no decockers, safeties put you at risk (hence the XD bashing), Sigs have too high of a bore axis, anything but 9mm is bad, revolvers get you killed.....blah....blah....blah. My bedside safe gun is an XDm. Holds 20 rounds, carries a light and goes bang when it should.
I don't hate XD's, but after buying and using one for a while they would be my last option for an acceptable plastic striker fired gun, well behind Glock or the S&W M&P. Not because they aren't reliable, but they are much less proven and have some other design features that keep them back.
Unlike Glock and Smith they chose to make the guns SAO instead of DOA. I know and understand very well that the real difference is pretty neglible, but that little detail pretty much excludes XD's from consideration by most LE agencies. Thus limiting exposure.
While they MIGHT be just as reliable and durable they don't have nearly as much field use to prove it. There are many guns that may well be just as tough and reliable as Glock. But if considering 2 similar designs such as Glock and XD at similar prices most people are going to take the more tested and proven design.
Glock and Smith guns sit much lower in the hand creating much less recoil. XD slides and frames are narrower which many find more comfortable. But they are also taller which adds to muzzle flip and perceived recoil. I also find the XD trigger to be the worst of the 3.
The deal breaker for me is the silly grip safety. I don't care for them on any gun including 1911's, but if designed properly they don't really cause a problem. The grip safety on XD's is far more likely to prevent the gun from firing when you really need it to fire than it is to prevent the gun from firing when you don't want it to fire.
Unlike Glock and Smith they chose to make the guns SAO instead of DOA. I know and understand very well that the real difference is pretty neglible, but that little detail pretty much excludes XD's from consideration by most LE agencies. Thus limiting exposure.
While they MIGHT be just as reliable and durable they don't have nearly as much field use to prove it. There are many guns that may well be just as tough and reliable as Glock. But if considering 2 similar designs such as Glock and XD at similar prices most people are going to take the more tested and proven design.
Glock and Smith guns sit much lower in the hand creating much less recoil. XD slides and frames are narrower which many find more comfortable. But they are also taller which adds to muzzle flip and perceived recoil. I also find the XD trigger to be the worst of the 3.
The deal breaker for me is the silly grip safety. I don't care for them on any gun including 1911's, but if designed properly they don't really cause a problem. The grip safety on XD's is far more likely to prevent the gun from firing when you really need it to fire than it is to prevent the gun from firing when you don't want it to fire.
CajunBass
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You're actually concerned about what someone on facebook said about ANYTHING? 
We use an XD .40 in our department. I like it actually. Easy to clean, easy to shoot. I bought an XDs 9mm for my off duty gun, to go with my Shield .40 and Colt Commander. Depends what flavor I'm in the mood for.
Chevy or Ford.
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Chevy or Ford.
Unfriend them!
I guess you could say I like XD's, I have 5 of them. 4 of them have PRP triggers in them. They don't make a drop-in trigger for the XDS but I did buy the spring kit.
I've never had one fail on me, they are accurate, well I have to take exception with the XDS, I can't hit squat with it.
I've never had one fail on me, they are accurate, well I have to take exception with the XDS, I can't hit squat with it.
I do okay with my XDs, my shield .40 I can't hit anything with it. it would be better to throw it at someone. But they are both pretty new and need to break in. The Shield didn't like flat nosed bullets, would not go into battery until I fired some hollow points through it for a few mags. Now it's okay and shooting better, er I'm shooting it better.
We are going to Glocks and I want to buy my XD. I blinged it with an aluminum fire indicator, new firing pin and springs. It's got some BLING!! It's also green and black with night sites.
We are going to Glocks and I want to buy my XD. I blinged it with an aluminum fire indicator, new firing pin and springs. It's got some BLING!! It's also green and black with night sites.
WVsig
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It is tooo EXTREME for me. LOL I am with Ohen Cepel. It is a fine Croatian designed pistol that never sold well under its original badge and HS2000. A few where imported into the US before and after SA turned it into the XD, eXtreme Duty pistol. SA bought the rights to the pistol and overnight we had the XD. Personally for me the biggest turnoff is the way SA markets them as if they developed and designed it for the US duty market and that it carries on the tradition of the the "real Springfield Armory" which they are only associated with in name only.
It is not a bad gun it just doesn't do anything for me. Lots of people originally liked the trigger but other criticized it because it is a fully cocked striker, making it an SA gun, which concerned some people.
They present it as if they designed the gun which they did not.
It is not a bad gun it just doesn't do anything for me. Lots of people originally liked the trigger but other criticized it because it is a fully cocked striker, making it an SA gun, which concerned some people.
They present it as if they designed the gun which they did not.
I am an M&P fan but have an xd9 I picked up at a pawn shop. It runs perfectly fine but just isn't my favorite for carry.
I don't know any other "gun nut" that doesn't own a Glock. I have shot thousands of rounds thru them but have never owned one and probably never will. They are rock solid, reliable, etc, but the fan boys turned me off years ago.
I'm sure Glock is devastated by my stance.
I don't know any other "gun nut" that doesn't own a Glock. I have shot thousands of rounds thru them but have never owned one and probably never will. They are rock solid, reliable, etc, but the fan boys turned me off years ago.
I'm sure Glock is devastated by my stance.
The Springfield XD is a good gun, I never saw the point in having a grip safety on these guns but thats part of the original HS2000 design and that's no big deal anyway. Based on the above statement I can't imagine why you would be concerned about spurious comments pertaining to the Springfield XD that you have no control over(?)
herkyguy
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I own both, I shoot both. I prefer the XDs, XDsc9mm, and XDm 5.25 in 9mm any day over the Glocks.
BUT, my G42 is by far the most concealable CCW gun I own, so I still carry it quite a bit when the XDs is just a bit too big.
I honestly don't see a whole heck of a lot of difference between them when it comes down to it.
BUT, my G42 is by far the most concealable CCW gun I own, so I still carry it quite a bit when the XDs is just a bit too big.
I honestly don't see a whole heck of a lot of difference between them when it comes down to it.
pacerdude
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I think XD's are fine guns, my brother owns a couple of them. Personally I'm not a fan of the grip safety on them. I don't think that they are any better or worse than a Glock or M&P.
I have zero dog in this fight. I'm just answering the question without the bias that shows from both sides.
The comments Ive heard as to why are in the general realm of "no federal agencies or large LE depts use them, when subjected to hard testing they choked hard and repeatedly".
The other problem seems to lie in that many have locked up while loaded and couldn't be opened because of the grip safety locking the slide. I think that has been addressed in one new model or change, but I'm not familiar enough with the subject to say for sure.
The comments that indicate that anybody that doesnt care for them is obviously an ignorant, koolaid drinking fanboi basement operator is about as well informed as those who they wish to portray as such. Some well informed and experienced people have opinions about them. If that bothers anyone, not sure what to say, or who is sensitive about their choices. For my part, I wonder why people get so emotional about gun models.
"Hate" is a loaded comment. Perhaps some hate. Perhaps some simply don't care for something or are unimpressed compared to other offerings. The impressions aren't always from non-use or no experience.
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Many Internetoids confuse opinions with facts. There's not a gun in existence that doesn't have fans and detractors - and some of both have no personal experience with the gun at all. Kind of like voters....
When I wanted to buy my first polymer pistol, I went to a LGS/range that had rentals and tried everything they had. I really liked the XD line, except for the checkering. It was simply too aggressive for my taste. As I wanted a range gun, I eliminated it. My wife had a similar experience. My middle son chose the XD because he liked the aggressive checkering.
The XD is a quality product, as are the vast majority of handguns sold in the US today. Buy and shoot whatever you like, and ignore the ignorant.
When I wanted to buy my first polymer pistol, I went to a LGS/range that had rentals and tried everything they had. I really liked the XD line, except for the checkering. It was simply too aggressive for my taste. As I wanted a range gun, I eliminated it. My wife had a similar experience. My middle son chose the XD because he liked the aggressive checkering.
The XD is a quality product, as are the vast majority of handguns sold in the US today. Buy and shoot whatever you like, and ignore the ignorant.
I'm definitely a Glock person, but have no issue withe the XD line. I've shot several, and all have been 100% reliable. I just prefer how a Glock feels in my hands and love that they are very very very easy to work on if needed.
thefamcnaj
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The xd series are fine pistols. I like the feel in my hand better than the glock, but I prefer the glock trigger as the xd feels mushy to me. The m&p LINE is great too. I own all three and like all three lines. Heck I carry a Kahr most of the time now, all that said there is no right or wrong on any of the modern polymer handguns.
WardenWolf
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I personally feel the XD pistols are simply better guns than Glocks, not the least of which is because they don't compromise safety with an unsupported case head. Virtually all the kabooms you hear about are Glocks in .40 because of a combination of both the round and this design flaw. The grip safety is also important; Glocks effectively have NO external safety devices of any kind (don't call that trigger a safety) and anything that snags the trigger will cause a discharge.
That said, I don't own one, though my father does. I simply prefer cold steel over polymer-framed guns, and when my father offered to buy me one for my birthday, I asked for a 1911 instead. I also won't own a gun without a manual safety; I'm aware you can get the XD with a safety, but they're hard to come by. Were I to choose a polymer-framed gun, I'd probably go with a Smith & Wesson M&P with a manual safety.
That said, I don't own one, though my father does. I simply prefer cold steel over polymer-framed guns, and when my father offered to buy me one for my birthday, I asked for a 1911 instead. I also won't own a gun without a manual safety; I'm aware you can get the XD with a safety, but they're hard to come by. Were I to choose a polymer-framed gun, I'd probably go with a Smith & Wesson M&P with a manual safety.
Dframe
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The XD is a superb pistol. Unlike the glock it is ergonomically sound. I have a friend who has put 105,000 rounds through his 9mm, and it shoots just like a new one.
Deanimator
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My only objection to the XD is that it's as ugly as sin.
EVERYBODY I know who has one says it's a great gun.
Would I BUY one? No.
Would I trust my life to one? Yes.
EVERYBODY I know who has one says it's a great gun.
Would I BUY one? No.
Would I trust my life to one? Yes.
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