You have No Place in NY if you oppose SAFE

[danez71]

I didn't search for myself... Mostly because NY has never been on my radar as a worthwhile state to live in. The SAFE act makes this even more true. Nothing short of a SCOTUS ruling that erases SAFE, the 10 round magazine limit, and everything else including the Sullivan Act would ever entice me to live there.
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Unfortunately I agree. Its going to take court cases to restore some states.

But it CAN be done. IL and DC are proof of that. They were both worse than NY.

Sorry to say this, but even the "victory" with the SAFE Act, doesn't that only give them back the ability to load legally owned 10 round magazines with 10 rounds? The NRA-ILA notes that the ruling is still pretty harsh on our beloved self-loading rifles.
Winning back the ability to not be prosecuted for loading a neutered magazine to its neutered capacity...
I guess I can see how some people could call that a victory. Maybe.
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Incremental steps my friend. States like NY, CA, IL, MD, CT etc didn't get to the point they are now over night.

Many here have said "death by a thousand cuts". Short of a fix all SCOTUS ruling (which wont happen) its going to take a long time to fix those thousand cuts.

And on the rights of part-time NY residents, I find myself asking "what rights?"
I can't understand why anyone would even want to be a part-time NY resident in the first place.
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But thats you (honestly.. me too ) But again, incremental steps. The NY judged ruled that part time residents are entitled to those rights. That's a victory in NY for Pro 2A whether or not you (or I) want to live there. That's IS a victory!

Do you live in NY?

Voting isn't going to work there. It's the proverbial vote with one sheep and a dozen wolves voting about what's for dinner. In NY, you are going to get eaten. And your governor is going to enjoy every bite. I've got some choice names for the man that will be edited out if I post them on THR, but the fact remains, a bunch of morons elected him and he's set his sights on people like us. Except I'm out of his reach... I'll never live in his state. But you... maybe you are in his reach. He'd be happy to stick an "extremist" like you in a cage.
Forgive me, but I can't imagine why anyone would want to endure that.

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No I don't. I grew up in CA. Moved to AZ. And have moved back to CA.

You're right. Voting probably isn't a likely solution in a number of states. Court is. And its proven to be more productive than any "vote with your feet" campaign.

As far as the last sentence, I don't see it that way. ALL of us in the USA cant own what ever gun we want so there is govt restriction for all of us.

Personally, I'm not into the AR/AK type stuff anyways but I don't think they should be banned and I'll vote and fight for the right for all of us to be able to own them. I'm not much into shotguns either but I'll fight for those too. I'll fight for no more additions to the "thousand cuts".

I don't and wont give away my happiness to the Govt. I wont allow them to control my 'being'.

And as you say, court cases require a victim to even get started.
A victim who has no guarantee that he's got even the slightest chance of winning. And the victims in NY shouldn't have ever been made into victims in the first place.
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All true. However........

The same could be said for a womens right to vote.

They didn't run to the few states that allowed them to vote. They banned together in each state and from multiple states. They won state victories and eventually a national/federal victory.

Its a lesson in history that more people here should recognize here instead of spewing out catchy phrases that have been proven to be non-effective.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

Throughout history, the rights and privileges of the common man were hard won from many battles on many battlefields. Rights and privileges were NEVER just "given" to the common man by the powerful...they were TAKEN.

Whether by combat, voting, court, or any other method, every gain was, at some point, the result of those who made the necessary sacrifices to gain those benefits.

Those in power in NY have made their play. Those who wish to contest this will do so by making great sacrifices along the way, for the ultimate benefit of everybody. And it won't be quick, easy, or cheap.

 

[SC Shooter]

The really sad thing is that this attitude in NY State is nothing new. Having grown up in the Upstate, we learned very early that the attitudes and philosophies of those from "The City" were much different from the rest of the state. There is a real reaon why NY's population has decreased in recent years and why they say Florida will soon overtake NY.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

It most certainly is nothing new...the power struggle between the powerful and the common man has been going on since prehistoric times.

 

[Vern Humphrey]

If you have not spent time in NY state, I am not sure that you can understand what the gun owners are facing in terms of responsibility. If you believe that the people who live in upstate NY are in any way similar to the NY city residents, nothing could be farther from the truth.

To those who understand and love the Constitution I say, stay in New York. Clean up your own state.

 

[itsa pain]

I guess you have never lived in NYC or state. European Americans are a minority in NY and 10's of thousands of foreign speaking and born are pouring in here with no regard for the history and culture of this country. As many long time native NYers are leaving. There is no way to vote your way out of it to save NY. It would be like trying to bail out the Titanic with a bucket