You have No Place in NY if you oppose SAFE

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That is a rotton biased thing to say. He is way out of line for saying that.

It is totally uncalled for considering a great portion of the state voters who happen to support the second amendment and rightly so as Americans pay for his meal ticket.

Perhaps he is about to learn that he jumped on the wrong celebrety band wagon this time.
 
I made a suggestion here on THR in another forum about starting another pro-gun organization solely for the election of pro-gun candidates in anti-gun states and areas around the U.S.I believe this suggestion should be given serious consideration.

It works like this, donations would be accepted online, by mail and more importantly at local gun stores. A minimum for a $1.00 donation to whatever the max is allowed by law will be accepted.

Anytime someone buys ammo or a firearm they can have an extra dollar or two taken out of their purchase and donated exclusively to this fund. They could pay by cash, credit card at the point of sale. Every gun store & FFL in the country could participate as well as any merchant no matter what they sell. The idea is to make it simple and yet as effective as possible.

A list of anti-gun states and areas (like Chicago and New York City) will be drawn up by using the Brady Bunch Rating as one of the guidelines for rank. This fund will be specific only to those states and areas of the country. This fund will not be used to support pro-gun candidates in generally pro-gun states, only in anti-gun states and areas.

Thus someone in Idaho buying some ammo or a firearm and could allocate an extra dollar or two at the point of purchase and help a elect pro-gun candidate in New York State with his/her contribution! (Or help defeat an rabid anti-gunner- if there is no real pro-gun candidate running).

A list of pro-gun candidates in anti-gun areas could be derived from some published list by the NRA, GOA, other pro-gun organizations or from all sources.

This organization should be totally separate from other pro-gun organizations and this organization would nearly be autonomous. People running the organization will be paid $1 per year salary and the rest run by volunteers.

We have some lawyers here at THR, I'm sure it is possible to set something like this up. I don't think anyone would have issues donating a dollar or two to something that has the potential of turning this country around for the better. Maybe if we give this serious consideration, we will be seeing less of these 'help what can we do threads'.

Will it change things overnight? No, it may very well take years. Just like it took years for gun rights to erode as bad as they are now in NY, NJ, MD, CT, CA, CO and HI among others. But to sit there feeling helpless isn't the answer. How many gun owners are in this country? How many of those gun owners could donate a dollar or two to help make a change hundreds or thousands miles away?

And remember just because you might happen to live in a so called pro-gun state and feel safe and what happens in anti-gun states doesn't affect your little part of the world. It fact what happens in anti-gun states most definitely does affect your little world. Politicians in New Jersey have affected gun owners as far away as Alaska, Texas, Idaho, Florida and Maine. Ever hear of Senators Lautenberg and Hughes ? Did anyone of you who have never set foot in NJ ever have a chance to vote against these two politicians?

How about another politician, Senator Thomas Dodd from Connecticut who was widely regarded as one of the main players in drafting the 1968 Gun Control Act. If you didn't live in CT at the time, you didn't have a chance to vote against him.

Ask yourself what if Lautenberg, Hughes and Dodd were defeated in the elections before their anti-gun legislation took hold? Would we be still talking about the 'Lautenberg Amendment', 'Hughes Amendment' or the '1968 Gun Control Act' today? Maybe not.

Some of us who live in so called pro-gun states need to help our fellow gun owners that still live in these anti-gun states. Because as I demonstrated, what politicians do in CT, NJ will affect your gun rights from Alaska to Florida at some time in the future.

Having a national organization that helps donate money money to pro-gun politicians in anti-gun states and areas, might prevent another Lautenberg or Hughes amendment from ever happening again. Bottom line, no matter where you live...we are all in this together.
 
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why would we WANT it "back"?

NYC STARTED all this anti-gun stuff, with the Tamenny Hall crowd and the Sullivan Act. I hope the entire city falls into the ocean, actually.
 
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The first time I saw/heard this response, I groaned. But then an idea slowly worked its into my consciousness. Yeah , I think I like it.
I can just see an ad campaign that goes something like this:

Freedom loving Pro 2nd Amendment advocates & activists, Vote with your feet and help us take back New York State from the likes of Cuomo, DiBallesio, Bloomberg and all the other Liberals! That`s right, bite the bullet make the sacrifice, move into New York State, register to vote and drive the deluded Liberal lunatics out of New York State.

I wonder if leaving is the best strategy myself, but it's pretty obvious that the governor doesn't want you there. You're hopelessly outnumbered by people who'd imprison you just for the fun of it. It may be possible to shift voting in some states by moving in pro-gun people strategically in key districts and you may be able to assemble enough people to do that. Gun owners are a committed group.

But to take back NY you'd need the entire population of a couple of western states to forsake their current lives, give up their jobs, move to NY, and choose to live under chains for several years. If you can organize that then God bless you.
 
Has anyone introduced the Gov to Uncle Saul?? Alinsky, that is. I seem to recall he had a number (hmmm, 13 seems familiar) of suggestions on how to deal with miscreants like this.

Of course, Uncle Saul was a hard-core lefty, but hey, what goes around as they say....:D
 
I wonder if the Governer notices that I moved my corporation, it's employees, and it's assets from NY? We used to be based at the same airport where his state police helicopter is based, operating 5 jets, but now.... we're gone..... forever..... along with all of our tax revenue and impact on the local economy.... that just faded away.........

The truth is that he doesn't know about my company, or the others run by entrapreneurs like me who just very quietly go away. He might notice the lessening of taxes collected as businesses like mine just fold up and leave, but it's like a pool being slowly drained slowly. It's hard to see at first but as the shallow end becomes more and more exposed, the rate seems to increase faster and faster. Eventually the pool is empty.

He really ought to read Atlas Shrugged. I did. And I took my money, resources, and those of my employees (all who left with with me) with me when I left.

You know who notices? The lunch counter where we used to eat. The FBO where we used to buy jet fuel. The catering place that serviced us with food for the jets. AIRGAS no longer sells us nitrogen and oxygen. The Snap-On truck sells us no more tools. We don't buy our company truck at the local dealer, or have it serviced by a local mechanic. We don't pay rent, and my emplyees don't buy any of their services there any more either. No more haircuts, plumbers, or insurance. No dentists or music teachers get paid. Several less kids attend the school system. This is the trickle-down economy that *I* pulled the plug on. Not a comittee, or a stockholders meeting, or a corporate board. The governer upset one key player in the company that I founded, and that is me. The buck stopped here, and it was for the reason of eroding freedoms for myself and my emplyees that I left.

There are others just like me.....

Know what? The FBO that we used to buy a $million in jet fuel from just went bankrupt. They laid off ten people, and closed their doors. Wonder why? How's the economy there, Governer? I can't wait for it to fail, and when it does I'll be reading about it from a thousand miles away.


I did my part, and another state is happy that I've come to town.


Willie

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Like bikerdoc I was delighted when I read post #31, but I hope a similar copy went to the newspaper where he used to be. Not everyone who lives there understands what the government has done (and is still doing) to them. Also it might encourage some other business to start looking around. :evil:
 
The problem in NY is that the gun owners tend not to get involved in grassroots action and leave it to the big gun groups that are not able to do enough at the grassroots level.

The best advice I can give to anyone who wants to get involved in Long Island is to get active with the Conservative Society for Action... csa-1776.org

Unfortunately, to date very few gun owners get involved and believe me we've tried hard to get them involved.

Another great organization to get involved with is the Oath Keepers. They are very active with us at CSA.

If you are not in NY and know gun owners who live here, then give them hell until they join with an activist organization like I've listed and spend a few hours a month actually doing something about their rights.

You would be surprised what a few committed activists can accomplish...
 
Letter to Gov. Cuomo
Dear Sir
As a lifelong citizen of New York State, I`ve never heard any politician even come close to saying the irresponsible, inflammatory, derogatory things you said on Friday ,January 14, 2014. So you think Citizens of New York who hold to traditional values, are pro life and dare to oppose your ill-conceived, hastily and sloppily cobbled together and rammed through the legislature in the middle of the night S.A.F.E. Act have NO PLACE in New York State?
Sir , I am appalled and deeply offended by your remarks. You have thoughtlessly dismissed millions of decent, hardworking, responsible, productive citizens of all religious faiths as UNDESIRABLES who have no place in "your" New York State. Oh REALLY,Sir? Just what exactly do you propose to DO TO all the citizens you despise so heartily, Governor Cuomo?
Many years ago I listened to a radio program in which your father, Mario Cuomo, who was then Governor of New York commented to the host, Alan Chartock: " You know, Alan, it takes a MAN to build a BARN, but any jackass(sic) can kick one down!"
Governor Andrew M Cuomo, it seems to me you`ve blundered into a situation that demands you either man up and apologize for the vile things you said or to continue on your destructive path and behave like the four legged creature your father, Mario Cuomo referred to. Do you really want New York State to remain the laughingstock of the entire nation?
 
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I lived in WNY for 40 years. I moved my company and 75 employees to Florida in 1983, pulling the plug on High taxes, stifling regulation, ubiquitous corruption, bad weather, pot holes, employment disincentives, gang violence, petty criminals everywhere, unnecessary car inspections, and shake-downs by the police and fire department. Other than those things, NY was great! New Yorkers should all vote with their feet and leave the place to rot. Unfortunately for many of them, they are stuck. "The strong do what they may, and the weak suffer what they must."
 
I do not think New Yorkers should "vote with their feet" and leave the state -- after all, they have some responsibility for the current condition of the state. And when they move to another state, they -- like **********ns -- bring all the problems with them.
 
He's simply in lock step with the POTUS. The scum in this Country is growing and then votes the big scums into important offices.
 
"For those NYer's who were insulted by your governor, he pretty much told you to vote with your feet. Maybe that's what you should do."

"Which is what he wants."

Just because he wants it, who's to say he's wrong? We can complain and moan about him being a "tyrant," "dictator," and all other manner of evil names (terms deserving of a lot more than being kicked out of office, if being used honestly/properly), but we seem to be missing the real question:

What will we do when there are no consequences for this behavior?

Yes, he's out of line. Yes, he's wrong, and on so many logical, moral, and legal levels. Yes, it's what we've known his ilk have sought for ever, and yes, their position is finally ensconced firmly enough that they are becoming honest, at long last. Because there is absolutely no threat that can be posed them at this point by dissenters. I think the only real "solution" at this point, is to go around the whole official democratic process (legally) and join the one approved political party, and work within its rotten interior. Hopefully, the outnumbered can still be vocal enough to have an impact early on in primary races while the vast majority of passive participants are waiting for the Party to tell them who to vote for. Absent help from the outside (and I find it increasingly hard to believe SCOTUS would harshly rebuff an institution as large and powerful as NYC, let alone have the influence to impose its will) this is really the only way left to have a contradictory political voice on the state level that isn't totally ignored and stifled.

TCB
 
The Governor basically told four to five million law abiding people of New York State to go to hell.
 
Agree with all of the above. Personally I find it "refreshing" to see this discussed here on THR without it being shut down as a political discussion. We voted with our feet and left NJ to move back to a free America after banging our heads for years against the "Progressive" majority...
 
Bailed out of the sinking ship that is NY 12 years ago, moved to SC, bought my first house only 4 miles from a lovely beach. Great gun laws, employment options in my field could be a little better (I.T.) But am working overseas now and banking half my pay. Dont miss NY one little bit!
 
I wonder if the Governer notices that I moved my corporation, it's employees, and it's assets from NY? We used to be based at the same airport where his state police helicopter is based, operating 5 jets, but now.... we're gone..... forever..... along with all of our tax revenue and impact on the local economy.... that just faded away.........

The truth is that he doesn't know about my company, or the others run by entrapreneurs like me who just very quietly go away. He might notice the lessening of taxes collected as businesses like mine just fold up and leave, but it's like a pool being slowly drained slowly. It's hard to see at first but as the shallow end becomes more and more exposed, the rate seems to increase faster and faster. Eventually the pool is empty.

He really ought to read Atlas Shrugged. I did. And I took my money, resources, and those of my employees (all who left with with me) with me when I left.

You know who notices? The lunch counter where we used to eat. The FBO where we used to buy jet fuel. The catering place that serviced us with food for the jets. AIRGAS no longer sells us nitrogen and oxygen. The Snap-On truck sells us no more tools. We don't buy our company truck at the local dealer, or have it serviced by a local mechanic. We don't pay rent, and my emplyees don't buy any of their services there any more either. No more haircuts, plumbers, or insurance. No dentists or music teachers get paid. Several less kids attend the school system. This is the trickle-down economy that *I* pulled the plug on. Not a comittee, or a stockholders meeting, or a corporate board. The governer upset one key player in the company that I founded, and that is me. The buck stopped here, and it was for the reason of eroding freedoms for myself and my emplyees that I left.

There are others just like me.....

Know what? The FBO that we used to buy a $million in jet fuel from just went bankrupt. They laid off ten people, and closed their doors. Wonder why? How's the economy there, Governer? I can't wait for it to fail, and when it does I'll be reading about it from a thousand miles away.


I did my part, and another state is happy that I've come to town.
One of the best posts I have read here, or anywhere. I wonder, when this is over, did Cuomo buy a single vote with this [the anti's where going to vote for him anyway] to offset the thousands that are now looking to vote AGAINST him? People that may not have voted otherwise?
 
There's really no hope in NY for sane gun laws.

If people "vote with their feet" and leave, then no there's not.
All hope is not lost. I used to think Illinois was a lost cause but they are slowly being moved in the right direction. Granted it is because the SC forced them to, but I never thought I'd see the day you could get a CHL in Illinois.

I surely hope the pro 2A folks don't all pack up and leave. Then there would be no opposition to this commie and those like him. I hope they stay and fight the good fight.
 
"If people "vote with their feet" and leave, then no there's not"


Yes there is. The sooner places like this become completely failed states, without sufficient revenue to pay for the promises made to those who still remain, the sooner they will topple over and be able to be renewed. The sooner the remaining residents rebel because the entitlements that were promised are not being given, the sooner those making the promises will be thrown out of office. The only question that will remain is if there are sufficient entrapraneurs left to rebuild an economy. Look at Detroit as a smaller scale example. When businesses leave, what's left is nothing. It's just a matter of watching more and more rats fight for a smaller and smaller piece of cheese. Eventually it's all gone and the rats die off.

My decision was to help speed the process by removing the revenue stream that my firm represented from being used by the state, or it's residents. About 10% of the population drives 90% of the economy. If and when those 10% go elsewhere, taking their businesses with them, the balance of the population will either follow or starve. When they starve, they will rebel. It can't happen soon enough for me, who as I said previously will be reading about it from 1000 miles away.

Of course it's always easier to stay, and to rationalize that it's the right thing. People live complex lives and it's often easier to compromise than to take a stand. If that works for you, that's fine. Work, family, etc., all play a part in decisions we each make.

What I did was to change the calculus for my employees. They could come with me, or not. I left. They followed. I took my cheese with me when I left. Not even a scrap remains for the rats who stayed behind.


Willie

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It only stands to reason that where there’s sacrifice, there’s someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there’s service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.

We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.

A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.

Government “help” to business is just as disastrous as government persecution… the only way a government can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping its hands off.

Capitalism demands the best of every man – his rationality – and rewards him accordingly. It leaves every man free to choose the work he likes, to specialize in it, to trade his product for the products of others, and to go as far on the road of achievement as his ability and ambition will carry him.

The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles.

The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals … it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government … it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen’s protection against the government.

Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.

There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create a nation of law-breakers.

The difference between a welfare state and a totalitarian state is a matter of time. The essential characteristic of socialism is the denial of individual property rights…

Whoever claims the right to redistribute the wealth produced by others is claiming the right to treat human beings as chattel.

When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.

The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.

We are now moving towards complete collectivism or socialism, a system under which everybody is enslaved to everybody.

The smallest minority on earth is the individual. those who deny individual rights cannot claim to be defenders of minorities.

In the name of the best within you, do not sacrifice this world to those who are its worst. In the name of the values that keep you alive, do not let your vision of man be distorted by the ugly, the cowardly, the mindless in those who have never achieved his title. Do not lose your knowledge that man’s proper estate is an upright posture, an intransigent mind and a step that travels unlimited roads. Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won, it exists, it is real, it is possible, it’s yours.



Collected quotes of Ayn Rand

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