Help: I have a revolver but i dont have much info about it.

I agree with jim, it looks like a s&w, h&r, Iver johnson...essentially anything but a webley, hense probablly a knock off

Never say never, but I think I can say with some assurance that it is NOT an S&W, and NOT a Webley. It resembles an Iver Johnson but there were very similar H&R revolvers also, and guns like it were made in Belgium, Spain, and what is now Pakistan. If it is marked Webley & Scott, the markings are almost certainly a forgery, which lends credence to Jim's theory that it is a regional product.

Why such a gun would be worth USD 5000 or even 2000 is beyond me. Even in countries where guns are banned or highly restricted, there is seldom that kind of price inflation. With $5000, I think I can get a modern gun about anywhere in the world and maybe even have a selection, and that would be on the illegal market. In those countries, anyone with the money and power to be able to buy a gun legally would be able to obtain one at a reasonable price.

Jim

A good rule of thumb is to keep your booger hook off of the bang switch until you are ready to fire the gun. Just a little piece of unsolicited advice.

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Thank you, +200

Unless that gun has historical significance, I would suggest you dunk it in a tub of oil a few times and let it drip dry at the very least. At the rate its going, it won't be a usable gun for very long. That looks for all the world like red active rust growing on the hinge pin.

I don't care what country this guy is from, speaking to people rudely is unacceptable. I wouldn't give this guy any information the way he's speaking to you all.

veer let me help you more the you can know.

RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET

Never break the 4 rules!

I don't know anything about the gun, but veer1987 sounds just like the guy that tried to answer my questions when my laptop went on the fritz.
Except his name was Steve.
From India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_&_R_Firearms#Top-Break_.28Also_called_Break-Top_and_Tip-Up.29_Revolvers

Top-Break (Also called Break-Top and Tip-Up) Revolvers
H&R Revolver of Top-Break design
H&R Revolver of Top-Break design with knife

* Premier Auto Ejecting (small frame centerfire revolver, break-top design) calibers: .22 (rimfire), .32, .38
* H&R model 925 "Defender" (.38ctg five shot revolver 4" barrel - blued finish)
* H&R Sportsman (.22 LR nine shot revolver 6" barrel - blued finish)
* Hammerless Auto Ejecting Second Model Patent date: Oct 4, 1887.

Third variation manufactured 1910 - 1913.

The original H&R firm was in business for over a century from 1871 to 1986.[1] Its roots are deep in the mid-19th Century Connecticut Valley firearms industry where the Wesson brothers loom large in the history of American firearms innovation. Edward Wesson was a noted maker of fine percussion rifles. Daniel B. Wesson was the co founder of Smith & Wesson, and design genius behind many of their break-through innovations.

Baby brother Frank Wesson started his own firearms manufacturing firm in 1859, sharing an early patent with Nathan Harrington. Wesson produced his famous two trigger rifles and spur trigger pistols and pocket rifles. He started a brief partnership in 1871 with his nephew Gilbert Henderson Harrington, as Wesson & Harrington, until Harrington bought him out in 1874.

In 1875 Harrington and another former Wesson employee, William Augustus Richardson, formed the new Harrington & Richardson Company. In 1888 the firm was incorporated as The Harrington & Richardson Arms Company. The capital was $75,000. Harrington was president, Richardson was treasurer, and George F. Brooks was secretary. After the deaths of Harrington and Richardson in 1897 [2], Brooks became the manager and the company was held by heirs Edwin C. Harrington (Gilbert Harrington's son) and Mary A. Richardson (William Richardson's sister).

In 1894 the company opened a new facility on Park Avenue in Worcester, Massachusetts to respond to customer demand for their products.[1] H&R was enjoying such success that the factory was expanded again after only a few years.

In the 1960s it was owned by the Rowe family, and warranty cards were sent to 'Industrial Rowe', Gardner, Massachusetts.[citation needed] The old H&R company went out of business in 1986, and the building, a five story brick structure, which was located at the corner of Park Avenue and Chandler Street in Worcester, Massachusetts, was demolished. A Walgreens pharmacy now stands at this location.[3]

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H&R HAMMERLESS SECOND MODEL LARGE FRAME TOP BREAK
Smokeless powder-----------------------------1905-1941
Large Frame Double Action Hammerless Top Break revolver with double top post barrel latch; caliber and cylinder capacity, 38 S&W (5 rounds);finish is nickel or blue (optional); grips are hard rubber with a target logo at the top; standard barrel length is 3 ¼ inch, with 4, 5 and 6 inch optional; rebounding hammer; automatic cylinder stop. The cylinder was lengthen to take the 32 S&W long cartridge and the catalogs now listed the calibers as; 6 shot 32 S&W, 32 S&W Long, 32 Colt New Police cartridges. Also offered in 5 shot 38 S&W and 38 Colt New Police.Caliber marked on left side of barrel THIS MODEL WAS DESIGNED FOR SMOKELESS POWDER CARTRIDGE PRESSURES
First variation, 5 patent dates same as First model with caliber marked on left side of barrel, serial number range 45000*-55000* (estimate)-1905-Only
Second Variation, patent dates,5-14 & 8-6-89,4-2-95, 4-7-96, serial number range; 55000*- 100000*(estimate)----------------------1906-1908
Third Variation, patent dates 8-6-1889, 10-8-1895, serial number range; 100000*-120000*(estimate)---------------------------1909-1912:
Fourth Variation, no patent dates, state in address not spelled out (MASS.), serial number range; 120000*-160000*(estimate)------1913-1915
Fifth Variation, no patent dates state name in address is spelled out (MASSACHUETTS), serial number range; 160000*-190000*(estimate)-1916-1924
Sixth Variation , new grip frame same as Auto-Ejector, serial number range; unknown-----------------------------------------------1925-1940
There is some indication production of the hammerless model stopped somewhere in the early 1920’s but it was carried in catalogs until 1941 Estimate*
After 1930 listed in Catalogs as: H&R HAMMERLESS No. 50 TOP BREAK .32 S&W LONG 6 shot
After 1930 listed in Catalogs as: H&R HAMMERLESS No. 55 TOP BREAK .38 S&W 5 shot
VALUE: 100%=$325 60%=$110 Add 10% premium for blue finish; 20% premium 4”, 5” or 6” barrel

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=142547035

veer1987 said:

guys i ve cocked the hammer, and am now unable to decock it..
plz help..


i think the hammer has moved one notch extra thn wat it is in the cocked position..
i tried the method which is given in a few portals..
" which says, to hav control of the hammer by d right hand thumb and pull the trigger simultaneously.... and thn push back the hammer in to its orignal decocked position... "

but its NOT happening tht way.. aint working... can anyone help me wid the line diagram of the inside mechanism of trigger etc.. so that i can find a logic on how to un-cock it...

"update: it is a double action revolver."

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I almost thought this guy was for real. Then he said ain't in one of his posts. I think this someone pulling you guys legs.

neway it is not loaded...

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Famous last words by all the people who shoot themselves/others accidentally.

By the way it was bought for $2000 in year 1982.
I dont think u have enuf idea about wat u r sayin,.

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I see the old H&R and Iver Johnson revolvers at every gun show, flea market I attend, plus I have one that belonged to my grandfather.
What are they worth? In the neighborhood of $50 to $75. They are good for one thing hang, on the wall and catch dust, IMHO, nothing else.

Lemon squeezers like that one are very common and cheap. There were dozens of outfits making them back in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The only way one would approach $2000 is if it has some remarkable historical significance (documented provenance) or if it's a black market CCW in a country that bans all such handguns.

As far as your stuck hammer, can you unlatch the barrel and cylinders and tip them down?

If you want the hammer to come back down, you have to pull the trigger.

If there are bullets in the gun, one will come out from the barrel. at a relativley high rate of speed. There will also ber a loud bang, some smoke and flames. I suggest you keep it pointed away from anything you do not want shot.

Oh - and it is worth maybe $40. If it wasn't so rusty, maybe $75.

If it will not de-cock by pulling the trigger then try pushing on that little piece of metal located just behind the trigger and at the back of the trigger gaurd. You can put a piece of wood between the hammer and the frame to prevent the hammer from falling all the way before trying this.

The sear is apparently hung up and that is why it will not release the hammer. A good oiling may also help - shoot some into the mechanizim -it certainly won't hurt anything.

I'd avoid using sandpaper to clean up a pistol...that tends to really mess up it's value. At least that's what I am assuming "scrapper paper" is. Most polish jobs on a vintage pistol will mess up it's value...however, if you care to just shoot it instead of collect/sell it....then go ahead and refinish it. Jewlers rouge is good for polishing up external surfaces.

As for it being seized up....are there any gunsmiths in your area? It sounds like something is siezing up inside there....which can either be rust, dirt, or simply old parts. If you decide to do it yourself, at least find a disassembly guide to the firearm and get all the proper tools before starting on it.

this thread is great comedy