Adult BB Gun?

[desmobob]

In theory, the accuracy thing might seem to be no big deal for indoor distances, but it depends on what the shooter wants or expects. The Daisy from my childhood won't hold a four inch group at 30 feet. To me, that's absolutely no fun for shooting paper targets. Plinking at cans, maybe.

My general idea is that if I want to test or hone my skills shooting at targets, my firearm should be capable of consistent X-ring accuracy. The 10-ring on those NRA AR-4/5 and AR-4/10 short-range BB-gun targets are pretty small. Can something like the Daisy Red Ryder put all its shots in one hole at 15 feet? I'm not positive, but I'm thinking no. The 499 probably can. A $46 Beeman P17 pistol can do it ...

 

[troy fairweather]

I've seen the 499s shoot almost in the same hole at 5 yards, same with the 53 series daisy at 10 meters.

 

[Kookla]

The 499 with Avanti BB's should keep five shots on a no. 2 pencil eraser at 5 meters. Regular Daisy bb's will keep on a dime at the same distance. There simply is no BB gun available right now that can compete with it.

I shoot into a cardboard box that has a folded pair of nylon pants in it. The box is set up in such a way that the bb's stay in after I shoot the target and later collect with a magnet. Occasionally one will bounce out- none have ricocheted. The pants are still fine after thousands of shots. These 499's don't shoot as hard as the other Daisy's. Don't have a chronograph, so not sure what they run at. My guess is just fast enough to break paper and be amazingly accurate.

There aren't many chances to own a world class championship gun new for under $200. This is one of them. They really are in their own class.

Again, the downside is that they feel cheap and sound cheap when you fire them. But there's plenty of Daisy BB guns that have been around forever and a day that are still going strong.

 

[troy fairweather]

The 499 with Avanti BB's should keep five shots on a no. 2 pencil eraser at 5 meters. Regular Daisy bb's will keep on a dime at the same distance. There simply is no BB gun available right now that can compete with it.

I shoot into a cardboard box that has a folded pair of nylon pants in it. The box is set up in such a way that the bb's stay in after I shoot the target and later collect with a magnet. Occasionally one will bounce out- none have ricocheted. The pants are still fine after thousands of shots. These 499's don't shoot as hard as the other Daisy's. Don't have a chronograph, so not sure what they run at. My guess is just fast enough to break paper and be amazingly accurate.

There aren't many chances to own a world class championship gun new for under $200. This is one of them. They really are in their own class.

Again, the downside is that they feel cheap and sound cheap when you fire them. But there's plenty of Daisy BB guns that have been around forever and a day that are still going strong.

I think the 499 shoot about 240-250 fps depending on the bb used.

 

[AK Hunter]

We used to have a lot of spotshoot competitions using shot guns but because of the price & availability of shotgun shells more & more BB gun competitions have sprung up. It can be done inside during the winter months, it requires shooting skill, it fun, kids can compete, it's low cost. So for the places needing fund raisers it's a win, win.

 

[LiveLife]

the accuracy thing might seem to be no big deal for indoor distances

And that's what the OP started this thread with, decent indoor distance accuracy that was quiet for apartment living, not competition winning accuracy.

Is the Red Ryder Adult a good gun?

Is it too loud to use indoors? Is it even accurate at all? ... apartment living

And to answer the OP ... Yes, no, yes and yes.

 

[Paul R Zartman]

Bag of butter popcorn, few sodas, crossbow target bag, binoculars, benjamin springer and a long hallway makes for a entertaining evening...

 

[JCooperfan1911]

Thanks, all.

I looked at the 499 and it seems sized for a child. That’s a shame, wish they made an adults variant.

 

[JohnKSa]

I suspect that the Red Ryder stocks will fit the 499. (Or not--see jmars' post below.) And there is some availability of aftermarket adult-sized stocks for the Red Ryder.

https://www.tgwms.com/airgun-products.html

I have no experience with that company, nor am I sure that the stocks will fit the 499, but it might be worth a call to see what they have to say.

 

[Sav .250]

Just checked the ,' Daisy Adult Red Ryder reviews." Interesting.

 

[LiveLife]

Just checked the ,' Daisy Adult Red Ryder reviews." Interesting.

https://www.pyramydair.com/product-all-reviews/m/daisy-adult-red-ryder-bb-rifle-177/4911

5 star rating ... BUT it's a Red Ryder with longer stock so it is quiet but accuracy is that of a Red Ryder. I particularly liked this comment ...

"Accuracy is poor but if you cannot hit the can, get a bigger can!"
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If I recall from my younger days, Red Ryder had minute of soda can accuracy at around 10-15 yards and BBs would puncture the aluminum can.

In comparison, Crosman Legacy 1000 produces minute of Campbell's soup can at around 25 yards with 4-5 pumps and BBs would punch through the steel can. And you have the option to go down to 3 pumps for quieter yet still more accurate than Red Ryder shooting option for indoor shooting. At 10-15 yards, you will be shooting with minute of smallest tomato paste can accuracy.

BTW, in the "Putting a little more power in a $15 Daisy" thread, after much work and time, velocities increased from around 300 fps to 450-500 fps; but with Crosman Legacy 1000, you can readily obtain 400-500 fps with a few more pumps - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/putting-a-little-more-power-in-a-15-00-daisy.807316/

 

[Kookla]

Thanks, all.

I looked at the 499 and it seems sized for a child. That’s a shame, wish they made an adults variant.

I am 6'6" 250 and use it just fine.

 

[cslinger]

I guess accurate enough means one thing to one person and one thing to another. I have an Airsoft AR15 which is “accurate enough” and quiet and is damn near a perfect AR15 shooting analog. Now is it accurate enough for me? Not by a HUGE margin. I do largely shoot indoors but have just under 20 yards to play with and for me I want 10 shots under a dime at that range.

Now if your goal is to hit a pie plate or knock a can over and just basically have a toy then a BB gun is fine and honestly I think you might have more fun with an Airsoft rifle. If you want any semblance of precision you are going to need to go rifled and pellet or for very close range the afore mentioned 499

I guess it comes down to your individual expectations. For just plain giggle factor a Red Ryder or AEG Airsoft gun can be a blast but if your tastes run more towards actual precision I think I would start with a Beeman P17 pistol for $50 bucks. It is a Chinese copy of a HW40 and dollar for dollar is an excellent, cheap way to dip your toe into the water. This and a tin or 4 of excellent ammo is still going to be just around a hundred bucks at most and will give you a quiet, precise airgun that you can grow actual skills with.

If you lean more towards the I “just want to pull a trigger” now and then, honestly I would look at Airsoft. You can likely find an analog to the gun or your dreams (MP5, G36 etc. etc. etc.) and have a huge amount of fun with it, more so then an off the rack Red Ryder IMO.

ALL airguns will have some kind of report or noise. The VAST majority of the time it is far more noticeable to you, especially at first, then anybody else. That said stay away from C02 especially in pistols as they generally have quite a “CRACK” to them.

 

[cslinger]

Just did a little pricing. For 102.96 shipped you can have a Beeman P17 pistol, 1000 rounds of H&N Finale Heavy Match ammo, and 2,500 Crosman Competition wad cutters. (I chose these because I have had good luck with both in my HW40/P3). So gun and 3,500 rounds of likely accurate ammo for about hundred bucks. This, IMO, for an apartment and compressed ranges is probably the best mix of cost, quality, accuracy, and noise signature. It will challenge you but will reward skill.

That would be my best suggestion if you want quiet and accurate.

For sheer fun / trigger pulling, give an AEG Airsoft gun a try. I think you would have more fun then a Red Ryder.

 

[jmars]

A Red Ryder stock will not fit a 499; not even close. The 499 uses a wide body "receiver", the Red Ryder is much thinner.

 

[troy fairweather]

Was at Wal-Mart today, red riders were $24 didn't see the adult one tho.

 

[MedWheeler]

Had a "shots-fired" call in an apartment late one night, called in by the resident in the unit below. Arrived to find the front door unlocked (2AM), not a good sign. Made entry to find some underage drinkers had been shooting a Crosman 357 CO2 revolver in there.

So, CO2 pistols, at least, can be loud for indoor apartment use.

 

[MedWheeler]

aarondgraham writes:

Why all the debate about whether it's a "good" gun or not,,,
Go to Wal Mart and spend less than $30.00 for the rifle and ammo.

Give it a try for less than the cost of a box of 9mm SD ammo,,,
If you don't have $30.00 worth of fun with it on your first shooting trial,,,
Give it to a neighbor kid, donate it to Goodwill, or simply toss it in a corner of your garage.

This needs a lot of likes. Step up, guys.

 

[codytrucker]

I've got one. Lots of fun. accurate enough to hit Wyoming grasshoppers out to 20 25 feet, consistently. shoots to point of aim. I can hit small objects out to probably 15 , 20 yds? Had it a couple of years , no problem so far. I don't know about shooting one indoors , though. bb's ricochet pretty easily, should be able to build a good trap , though. I don't think it just has a longer stock , mines about a inch longer then my henry 22 lever action rifle is.

 

[cpoakes]

I have a hankering for a Benjamin 317 - because I could shoot bottle caps at 5 yards when I was 12.

 

[wtf808]

Adult air gun you say?? https://www.airgundepot.com/airforce-texan-lss-hunter-combo-air-rifle.html I've seen this thing take down pig, deer, you name it. lol

 

[cobalt327]

To get the most accuracy from a BB gun, keep the shot tube free of oil is number 1, shared with using a good BB, like the Daisy Match Grade Avanti Precision Ground Shot sold by Pyramyd Air and others. Number 2 is practice. Until these things are done, there's no way to say what the accuracy really is.

 

[OrangePwrx9]

My indoor practice 'arsenal' is a Crosman 2100 .177 rifle and a Crosman 1377 .177 pistol. 4 pumps each for 30' with pellets. BBs bounce around too much. I have others, but these are the mainstays.

I have a 'refurb' 2100 I bought from Crosman for less than $40. Not a thing wrong with it.

 

[d2wing]

The Daisy 753 match grade pellet gun is what I would get. I have a similar model. First pellets are much safer, more accurate and more powerful. This makes a great short range quiet indoor target shooter. They also make a repeater. I would go high quality breakaction 22
Pellet gun for vermin. Never buy a GAMO.