Emergency Vehicle--SUV vs Hybrid Sedan?

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My vehicle is Beechcraft Bonanza, 180 mph, 12000 feet above ground and 1100 mile range. Problem is at the end of that 1100 miles I'm all done without more aviation 100LL fuel. It does give one some flexability. It will hold all guns and ammo necessary

You're assuming you'll have a usable runway, and that there won't be F16's airborne shooting everything in sight down. And you're going to need somewhere to land. Are you IFR rated?

By the way, I'm an Approach controller :p

Welcome to THR, I see its your very first post.
 
bug out truck

I have an '06 GMC Canyon four door 4x4 with the 5cyl, paid for by the way.It is a pretty affordable truck and with nobbies I can go just about anywhere. I have yet to get stuck in the red OK clay that I drive aound in quite a bit. It also does pretty well in larger ruts so I very seldom have to get off of more than a two path trail (but I never said I didn't for fun). I have put over 60k miles on it since May of '06 ( I work in the natural gas industry i.e. the country ). During the rough 60k I have put on it, besides the brakes and general maint. I have only had to have 2 u-joints replaced and a battery. I am very hard on my truck and it has held up well so far. It also does a pretty good job at pulling a med sized trailer. So if you are looking for a newer vehicle with pretty good mileage (about 25 on road and 20 off) I might consider the four door as a practical option, but that is just me. Feel free to criticize and critique as much as you wish b/c everyone's experiences with everything can differ drastically, something I learned with Toyota trucks.
 
Just as far as more efficient pickups, I'd say something like a Honda Ridgeline would be going for hundreds of miles past where a guzzling Reagan-era-engine-design F-150 had run out of gas, if the stations were all out.
 
Umm, my 84 CJ7. Don't follow me, you won't make it, seriously. ;) :D :D :D A lot of people think their trucks are all that, trust me, they usually aren't unless you have lockers, lift and a winch, because if you don't get stuck, your really not trying hard enough. See paradiddle picture and you have an idea of what my jeep can handle. Setup roughly the same save the coil suspension versus leaf springs. I know the "pack extra parts" game and have spent the past 11 years taking it from stock to..."are there any stock parts left...Oh yeah, the body, rear drive shaft, dash, seats, gas tank and fender flares.

With my tagline, what else could you expect. I think I'd be staying home unless it was a flood, much easier to stay warm and dry in the PNW. Until the natl guard comes around to confiscate all my weapons ala Katrina style.

Thankfully, I could bug out to the woods in short order being in West Portland suburbia. I could disappear in 20 minutes to the woods if the roads were not packed with like minded people getting out of Dodge. Actually, my jeep could make it across the muddy fields and through the irrigations ditches if absolutely necessary to get around traffic. It would not be the preferred route however, particularly in the flooding scenario. Tualatin valley is pretty low relative to the water table, very low.

If I were going to build one specific for this type of scenario on a budget though. I would get an 84 or earlier toyota 4runner or pickup because they have solid axles and wheel much better when the road turns to earth. They are cheap, get good mileage, have plenty of low gearing in stock configuration and that little 22R runs great.
 
I have had to drive into stuff for work that I would be scared to try on my own time. I generally don't if I don't have to but I can go just about anywhere I want and I have the reliability of a fairly new GMC.
Example. my company was drilling a new well about 1 and a 1/2 from the closest gravel road, it was in a bottom area without much rock. It had also been raining alot. We were using dozers to tow full sized Chevys and Fords to to the location because they were bogging down too much in the mud. Since my truck has good tires and is pretty light I was able to take some parts to the rig without having to wait on the dozer. It may not be a rock climbing machine, but in my opinion a truck that can go places most others cannot is worth its weight in just about anything.
 
I've seen a lot of the old responses on this thread with varying ideas for vehicles and even service animals for a SHTF scenerio. What works largely depends on what type of SHTF were are talking about.

If we are talking about the end of life as we know it with no recovery in sight, sure... get a horse.

Most of these responses were pre-Katrina, and while that isn't the only SHTF scenerio out there, it is a good example of what could be expected again from a number of causes.

I lived through Katrina and did have to do a significant amount of driving during that time. I'll add my observations, if I may:

1. Whatever you have needs to be able to carry cargo. Unless everything you could EVER possibly need is can fit on your back, a motorcycle is NOT a real option for sustained periods. I want to point out that for short "check on the neighbors" type of trips, we did use a four-wheeler primarily because it was handy to get through blocked roads and had far better fuel economy.

2. Whatever you have NEEDS to have a towing package. More of your SHTF movement is going to get things or delivering things. Otherwise, you won't be choosing to leave the place you have prepared. A couple times, I had to obtain something that needed a trailer to move.

3. Whatever you have NEEDS to have decent ground clearance. I don't mean necessarily putting in a lift kit, but it needs to have at least the clearance of a typical 4X4 truck. I have a Jeep Grand Cherokee that BARELY had sufficient ground clearance. You are going to go over debris at times, but more importantly, you may be crossing deep pockets of water. When we finally cut enough trees for me to get to the highway after Katrina (9:00 the night of landfall) I took off to make sure my parents were alive and safe. Along the way, there were a few places ON the road where there was flooding. I was able to cross it, but there were dozens of flooded out cars that were not so lucky.

4. You need to have something IN your vehicle that can lift downed power lines. One of the biggest obstacles to travel even days after landfall was powerlines in the roads with no way to go around them. What worked best for me was a 2X4 long enough to create clearance for my Jeep, and with a notch cut out in the shape of a V on one side to hold the line. You are gonna use this a LOT.

5. I didn't get in a situation where I needed a winch, except for the first night-- still a winch doesn't hurt.

6. A brush guard type frontend is handy but hardly necessary.

7. A undercarriage guard IS a VERY nice thing to have.

8. This IS IMPORTANT. It is crucial that you have some means to FIX a FLAT TIRE and re-inflate it. They make small air-pumps that plug into your cigerette lighter that are GREAT. I used one a number of times. Have a plug kit handy somewhere in the vehicle.

9. In my honest opinion, A 4 door TRUCK is MUCH better than a SUV in a SHTF. You can essentially carry the same number of people, but you ALSO have A LOT more cargo space at the same time. Plus, there are going to be times you haul stuff that you'd rather not have inside your SUV on your carpets. There will be things you haul that may have vapors that you seriously do not want to inhale. My next vehicle will be a 4 door truck with a lockable bed cover.

10. Some may raise an eyebrow at what I am about to say, but it is true. I'd probably go the route of a gasoline engine over a diesel engine in a situation like Katrina. If we were in a end of the world, sure diesel is great-- make your own bio-diesel. However, in a shorter-term situation, you are going to want to be able to obtain fuel. It was hard enough to get gasoline, but diesel was impossible. Why? Because essentially everywhere that had diesel was required to hold it back and not sell it in order to have it available for emergency vehicles, which ran primarily on diesel.

Even though I could have used my father's new Dodge cummings turbo diesel, we had to keep it parked for fear of running low on diesel. We needed all the diesel we had to put in tractors.

11. Only once did I find myself in a situation where I would have rather had four-wheel drive. Overall, it is nice, but it's going to cut down on your fuel economy. It's a toss up. I know that I DID do well without it, but that doesn't mean I ALWAYS would. Besides, I do have access to other 4X4 vehicles if I knew I needed to get somewhere particularly nasty.

12. Keep a spotlight in the vehicle. You will find times you need to see what is to the left or right of you at night. Turning your lights in that direction will rarely be an option. A spot light makes things safer and easier.


13. Edit: Thought of another one. Don't laugh when you read this, but trust me. Keep one of those cans of Baby Wipes somewhere in the vehicle. It's not going to keep you alive, but it WILL make things a lot nicer on you. My wife is a Preschool teacher and uses them alot. She had some in my vehicle and they got used a LOT. They are antibacterial so they may go a ways in keeping you from getting some sickness (I kept a sore throat the entire time of Katrina due to accidental exposure to funky water.) They were good for a "spot bath." A lot of people may thing "Bah, I'm tougher than that... who cares?" Well, I'll tell you... it was 3 days before I could get my first bath, and those were three days of working dawn to dusk with chain saw and getting REAL nasty. You will be surprised at how much better and entergetic you will feel when you can simply wipe some of the gunk off your hands and face.


That is all I can think of at the moment. I may think of more after work.


John
 
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I read a SHTF book once where the hero had to get to Northern Arizona and of course he met a girl so then he had to get to southern California to rescue her kid .... they used a hot air balloon - I read it like 25+ years ago - wish I knew the title I'd love to read it again - he really thought out all the angles of getting from place to place and the dangers of other people trying to get his stuff
 
A modified Jeep Wrangler/CJ with plenty of extra fuel cans and racks for equipment would do more for you than almost any other vehicle IMO.
 
might have missed it, but.
VW Baja with a 1600 engine, basic parts (no custom one off stuff) and a generator insteadof an alternator. They will survive anything and you can get them going, even with a dead battery, Alternators require a little voltage to make voltage. A stock vw with a few screws turned will run on etanol/methanol too or e85. No computer to fry. Very basic, easy to get parts (most produced cae ever) And with a baja kit it will go most places a 4x4 will, won't get stuck in sand, and has great ground clearance. Not to mention that you could get over 35 mpg on pavement and atleast 20 off road (see what a SUV gets in the dirt) You can put in a 40 gallon tank that fills up the trunk area and add an extra tank to behind the back seat too (another 10-30 gallons) plus gas cans. Seats four, that may be the only draw back unless you plan on rock crawling. And size you won't fit as much junk in it as an SUV. But if it's just me that'd be my choice.
 
Since this thread is now re-born...

I'll still stick with the choice of my '83 Jeep CJ-7... cradle mount winch that works at either end, mild lift, 31X10.50 tires, lockers, extra lighting, and fullsize spare, and jerrycan mounts... CB, Manual trans (so it'll roll start!), built in generator'Welder system, and full skidplates, waterproofed (W/ snorkel), and ready to go, easy to fix. it's equipped with a tow-bar, and I can externally mount a second spare tire if need be...

I'd likely tow it as far as possible with my '01 Ram 4X4 extended cab. same winch works on it, 4.5" lift, 33x12.50 tires, TWO spares, additional lighting, performance mods, lockers, and a slide-in 200 gal fueltank (from a semi) for the bed. gun racks, topper (lockable) built in inverter..., skidplating, and set up for off-roading/camping (tow package)
 
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