JamieC
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The more I think about this, the more I think I'll wait a bit, see if a sale pops up, buy an Eotech like I intended.
EOTech giving owners full refund for holographic sights
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Had an email from Bravo Company today. They have EOTechs on sale:
http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=097f8e03b1a7790c20791c79d&id=b59b27d629&e=40beca1e4f
http://us11.campaign-archive1.com/?u=097f8e03b1a7790c20791c79d&id=b59b27d629&e=40beca1e4f
I'm guessing, as a retailer, they can't avail themselves of the refunds
CLP
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those are sale prices? i'm not familiar with those specific models. i did receive my return authorization for 489 + 15 s/h for an xps2. I'm just going to get another trijicon reflex sight when that check comes in or pony up a little more for an aimpoint. tired of replacing batteries.
rcmodel
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You can order an Aimpoint PRO for $424 with free shipping.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-red-dot-riflescope-30mm.html
30,000 hour battery life!!
I have a customer discount code for 11% off of that, so $377.36!
It's a no-brainer, unless you want to hold out for a better sales next spring.
But I figure a price increase after the first of the year.
So, this might be the best deal going.
Matter of fact, I just ordered one!!
On the other hand, they received my sight 8 days ago.
And I ain't heard nothing about no refund yet!
(But to be fair, it was the Xmas holidays.)
rc
http://www.opticsplanet.com/aimpoint-pro-patrol-rifle-optic-red-dot-riflescope-30mm.html
30,000 hour battery life!!
I have a customer discount code for 11% off of that, so $377.36!
It's a no-brainer, unless you want to hold out for a better sales next spring.
But I figure a price increase after the first of the year.
So, this might be the best deal going.
Matter of fact, I just ordered one!!
On the other hand, they received my sight 8 days ago.
And I ain't heard nothing about no refund yet!
(But to be fair, it was the Xmas holidays.)
rc
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d'zaster
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I have an EXPS3-0. It's has some issues with power up (old and new battery). Has not seen much use. The I read about the settlement with the gov't I was completely surprised. Reading through various strings, I have decided to submit for RMA. This is too bad as I really like the sight. If/when they get things ironed out, I will likely consider eotch again.
giggitygiggity
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I don't want to hijack the thread, but I do have three questions:
1. When using EOTechs, the sight picture appears to be a bunch of small fuzzy dots instead of a clear, sharp image. When I wear my glasses, the image becomes clearer. Is this typical?
This occurs with all EOTechs HWS products that I have used. I have 20/20 uncorrected near-sighted vision and have uncorrected 20/60 far-sighted vision with a slight astigmatism. My father has great vision and he also noticed the blurriness.
For $400+ sights, I would expect a clear sight picture.
2. Does anyone know whether I can pair an EOTech G23 magnifier with an Aimpoint Comp M4? Will they align properly or are there spacers/risers that I will need to get?
3. Has anyone actually received their refund and, if so, in what form did the refund come? Thanks.
1. When using EOTechs, the sight picture appears to be a bunch of small fuzzy dots instead of a clear, sharp image. When I wear my glasses, the image becomes clearer. Is this typical?
This occurs with all EOTechs HWS products that I have used. I have 20/20 uncorrected near-sighted vision and have uncorrected 20/60 far-sighted vision with a slight astigmatism. My father has great vision and he also noticed the blurriness.
For $400+ sights, I would expect a clear sight picture.
2. Does anyone know whether I can pair an EOTech G23 magnifier with an Aimpoint Comp M4? Will they align properly or are there spacers/risers that I will need to get?
3. Has anyone actually received their refund and, if so, in what form did the refund come? Thanks.
chicharrones
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#1. The outer 65 MOA ring is pixelated as made by EOTech. It is normal and once a shooter gets used to it, works very well.
#3. I haven't received the refund yet, but I haven't checked the mail in a few days either.
greyling22
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my buddy just turned in his eotech for $475
Old Dog
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Yes.
Then he needs corrective lenses. If you wear glasses, you'll need to wear them for shooting the HWS.
Without my contacts in or without the glasses, the red reticle is a red blur. With corrective lenses, I've got a sharp dot inside the red circle. Also -- it helps to keep BOTH eyes open. It's not a scope or iron sight where you close your non-dominant eye.
rcmodel
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The EOtech reticule gets more pixilated the higher you turn up the brightness.
If you run it too high, it becomes very apparent.
You might try just turning it down a little.
rc
If you run it too high, it becomes very apparent.
You might try just turning it down a little.
rc
rcmodel
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Anyone got a refund check yet??
They have had mine since Dec 22, (2 weeks) and no word yet!!
rc
They have had mine since Dec 22, (2 weeks) and no word yet!!
rc
chicharrones
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Not yet. My gut tells me it's going to take a while just because I already bought something else.
Having taken advantage of several "rebate" offers, I'd be very surprised to see any action in less than 60 daysrcmodel said:
rcmodel
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You would think they could at least acknowledge receiving it in an email or something though..
Only proof I have they got it is the USPS Tracking print-out I kept a hard copy of.
Rc
Only proof I have they got it is the USPS Tracking print-out I kept a hard copy of.
Rc
I wouldn't have expected it.
I've never known companies to have done it before
I've never known companies to have done it before
giggitygiggity
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I think it'll take a while to get the refund. How many sights does EOTech sell annually? 50,000 maybe? They've been making them since 1996 I believe. Granted, not everyone will return their sights for a refund, but even then, that's a lot of sights to verify serial numbers and return authorizations and then print checks for. And who knows if EOTech is addressing refunds as the sights roll in or if they're waiting until they collect all of them and then going through to inventory and start the refunds. Surely someone on THR works for EOTech or has some info.
Dain Bramage
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Are EOTech sight adjustments mechanical? Does a zero survive battery change?
rcmodel
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Yes & Yes.
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Clark
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L3 is NY and I am in WA and at the engineering level, never met anyone from L3. But I sure have been down stream of them.
For an aerospace supplier [A] in 1982 I wrote part of the proposal to sell Loral [later L3] a jet fighter radar warning power supply, the 56C. We won and I designed part of the built in test [BIT] that had more parts than the power supply it monitored.
I came back to that supplier [A] in 1988 and they still had a relationship with Loral and I won the cost redesign of the 56M, a $4.5M engineering contract. That was a good design, and a much more reliable. I was directing a lot of consulting engineers that made a lot more money than me.... I decided I could do that too.
In 2001 I was working at a different supplier as a consultant for night vision on attack helicopters. We were not building the magnetics I designed for the night vision back light, but having them made. I visited the magnetics supplier and there were all kinds of magnetics being shipped to L3 that were supplier part numbers. This meant L3 got the design work done for free from and then was getting them built cheaper elsewhere. I told company what I saw and the manager in the big office cried and said, "I am never doing business with L3 again!"
For an aerospace supplier [A] in 1982 I wrote part of the proposal to sell Loral [later L3] a jet fighter radar warning power supply, the 56C. We won and I designed part of the built in test [BIT] that had more parts than the power supply it monitored.
I came back to that supplier [A] in 1988 and they still had a relationship with Loral and I won the cost redesign of the 56M, a $4.5M engineering contract. That was a good design, and a much more reliable. I was directing a lot of consulting engineers that made a lot more money than me.... I decided I could do that too.
In 2001 I was working at a different supplier as a consultant for night vision on attack helicopters. We were not building the magnetics I designed for the night vision back light, but having them made. I visited the magnetics supplier and there were all kinds of magnetics being shipped to L3 that were supplier part numbers. This meant L3 got the design work done for free from and then was getting them built cheaper elsewhere. I told company what I saw and the manager in the big office cried and said, "I am never doing business with L3 again!"
Savage Shooter
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There having quite the backlog of returns 2 truckloads a day!
http://soldiersystems.net/2015/12/17/eotech-sight-returns-overwhelming-us-postal-service/
http://soldiersystems.net/2015/12/17/eotech-sight-returns-overwhelming-us-postal-service/
JWH321
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I wonder if these are being returned as much because of buyer's remorse as they are for actual issues with function.
Clark
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I worked for company A a third time.
L3 had sold 56M systems with the power supplies I designed for company A built by some other company. They were failing and getting sent by mistake back to company A for repair.
Again, L3 screws over a supplier, goes to a cheaper supplier, and units in the field fail.
The problem with 56M supplies I designed built by company X is they could not make the high frequency high power ceramic ferrite core magnetic transformers get the heat to come out and still keep the shock from getting in. There is a series of process of vacuum impregnation of epoxy and other things that were proprietary processes.
The L3 M.O. from the few programs I have seen, is to get a supplier to "buy in" to a program, and do the engineering for cheap or nothing in order to get the follow on production contracts. Then L3 turns around and has a low cost alternative supplier build the follow on.
You can't cheat an honest man.
L3 had sold 56M systems with the power supplies I designed for company A built by some other company. They were failing and getting sent by mistake back to company A for repair.
Again, L3 screws over a supplier, goes to a cheaper supplier, and units in the field fail.
The problem with 56M supplies I designed built by company X is they could not make the high frequency high power ceramic ferrite core magnetic transformers get the heat to come out and still keep the shock from getting in. There is a series of process of vacuum impregnation of epoxy and other things that were proprietary processes.
The L3 M.O. from the few programs I have seen, is to get a supplier to "buy in" to a program, and do the engineering for cheap or nothing in order to get the follow on production contracts. Then L3 turns around and has a low cost alternative supplier build the follow on.
You can't cheat an honest man.
wally
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I've got a 551 (N battery) model I filled in the RMA/refund form for. The right side of the 65 moa circle is dim, how dim depends a bit on eye position. I've never liked that the batteries are dead after a few weeks of being "turned off". It was my last EOTech.
I've three 512 AA battery models. I'm checking them, one I'll keep as it still has a perfect display and I like it despite it having the same battery life issue, but AA bateries are cheap and plentiful. The other two I've not dug out of the safe to check yet.
I do like them so I'll definitely keep at least one, but the fact that the batteries drain when turned off makes them pretty useless for any serious use other than "patrol" where you put in fresh batteries when you gear up.
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