Glocks and SIG's - your recommendations and why.

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Chris,

My main 9mm range gun is the Sig P226. Full size 9mm. To me this gun fit me best, the double stack grip is not all that wide to handle. With a Hogue fingerless wrap-around rubber grip, it is a lot better feeling to shoot. The gun is reliable, and next to 1911s the most accurate I am with.

To me, these Sigs blow CZ's, Berettas, Glocks, & Rugers out of the water in plain fun, manual of arms, fit and finish, and lastly feel. This is all, of course my opinion. I'm not the type that concentrates on one platform of handgun. I can pick up a 1911 and shoot cocked and locked, or pick up a Sig and know to decock. The first shot DA is also the smoothest DA I've felt for factory on any other DA/SA autoloader. The ONLY GRIPE I have about the Sigs are the plastic grips. They feel absolutely cheap, but with the hogue grips I recommended earlier, it quickly and cheaply fixes the problem.

Though I am a strong SIG person at heart, I am going to pick up a Glock 23 in 8 days (darn waiting period). The reason I went for the Glock is because, well... Its a better defensive/CCW gun. No controls to manipulate, easiest to field strip, easiest to detail strip, the compact size is REALLY, the compact size, relatively thin compared to other pistols, little required maintenance, reliaibility, and easy to change parts on.

If the trigger on the Glocks were great, I'd probably favor the Glock to the Sig. But the trigger on the Glocks need work. And I've heard that with a 3.5# connecter, and a little bit of polishing on the internals there is a noticeable difference. The connecter I'm going to try out is a Scherer connector and polish the internals. There is a LOT of aftermarket stuff for Glocks, if you are into that thing.

Sig > Glocks

Good luck.
 
I have a SiG P225 and SiG Pro 2340, and Glock 22 2nd generation with 9mm barrel and Glock 26. The simplicity of the same trigger pull with the Glocks makes them much easier, I think, to learn to shoot quickly and accurately. When I shoot the SiGs, I usually never use the decocker, as I load, and fire the mag then and there, and the trigger is in the back position. A full double action shot is quite tough as my finger barely reaches the trigger in the full forward position on the SiGs.

Lately, I have been shooting the Glock 22 in 9mm more and more. I have a lot of cheap 17 round mags for it, and I can easily shoot the full mag at my steel target with no problems.

For both, I have to shift my grip to hit the mag release, though I have been considering an aftermarket part for the G22 since it only sees range time, as it also has a 3.5 lb disconnector, polished contact spots, and reduced power firing pin spring.

The G26 is also easy to point and shoot, but ended up being too wide for pocket carry. And I don't have a IWB holster to try it that way yet.

I have only had early problems with the SiG 2340, failures to go into battery and lock back when I first got it, it broke in, and now has worked fine. The P225 was perfect, and so were the Glocks, even with the 9mm conversion barrel.

All are more accurate than I can shoot, and the sights have been set dead on as purchased. No playing with them were required.

I don't think you can go wrong with either one, especially with the used prices for both so low and mags being available cheap for the Glocks. You have more aftermarket options for the Glock, so if you are into that, go with a Glock first.

One small SIG question - no two actually. How much will spare mags run me .. approx? And .. is SIG customer service good?
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Spare mags for Glocks, dealer cost at Midway is $14.40 or so. SiG, I have seen running at lowest $30 new. Most have been higher, but CDNN has a small assortment for that price, and less for used. Couldn't beat the rush of 17 round G17 mags right after the ban lifter for $11, should have ordered more! :banghead:
 
Yet again - more bountiful thx to all. Huge amount of most useful input.

Thinking of the 226 ... can anyone give an opinion if they have shot both the 226 and a BHP. Is there any comparison? I love my BHP .. tho I am not ''anti polymer'', I do like ''substance''! :p
 
The first shot DA is also the smoothest DA I've felt for factory on any other DA/SA autoloader.
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In all fairness I do have a P225 with a horrendous double action trigger. Super heavy. Smooth but really heavy. I still love the little cuss. :D

I have a P226 and have shot a BHP. The BHP trigger is light years better then the SIGs, being single action, unless of course we are talking about BryanP's but that is another story for another time. The grip is smaller and more comfortable to most on the BHP as well. In my exp. the P226 is more reliable and a much better carry gun.

Now I am the one gun nut in the Northern hemisphere who doesn't like the BHP. Sue me. I don't like the mag disconnect, the external safety and I actually think they look kinda fugly. Ok I said it, now everybody can bring the pain. :neener:
 
In all fairness I do have a P225 with a horrendous double action trigger. Super heavy. Smooth but really heavy. I still love the little cuss.
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Funny, my P225 is trigger is lighter and smoother in DA mode than the SiG Pro is. :confused:
 
Now I am the one gun nut in the Northern hemisphere who doesn't like the BHP.
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Hahaha ... no sweat Chris ... tho in the ''fugly'' contest I'd still reckon the P95 (or97) has it over the BHP!!

Now - go stand in the corner and say after me ... ''John Moses Browning was a genius'' ... over and over!! :D :D :neener:
 
My vote goes for the Glock 19, especially if you are looking to use it for IDPA.
I feel the Glock trigger is a lot more accurate on the first shot then the long double action trigger pull of the Sig. Most guys in my IDPA club tend to pull the first shot down pretty often. I have owned A Sig 226,228 and 229 and I have ended up going back to the Glock every time. Reliability wise they are both on par and as far as accuracy goes I think the Sig is a little more accurate after the first shot for slow fire but the Glock is more acurate when you are shooting faster because of the low bore axis.
 
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Okay here is the Alduro Comparison. To qualify my post, I currently own 2 identical Glock 17's and 2 Identical Sig 229's. I have also owned Sig 220 Issued both a 229 and 226 in .40 and have owned a Glock 22.

Here is my question to you, what caliber do you want? What are you going to use it for? Carry? Range shooting? etc.

Glock: 17, my favorite 9mm fullsize for concealed carry.

Pros:

1.) It holds 18 rounds with standard factory mags, I hate carrying spare mags.

2.) It weighs less than 30 Oz. FULLY LOADED, around 28 oz. I believe. 20 Oz. Unloaded. When you carry a gun as much as me, weight becomes a real issue.

3.) The Glock is dead, dead reliable in the 9mm. I have had problems with the Glock 22 .40 cal being tempermental with certain ammo, like S&B 180 Grain.

4.) The Glock 17 is dead on accurate. I have heard people say not as accurate as a 226, but I would like to meet the man with steady enough hands to prove it. I have never trained to pull a weapon and go to a bench rest in a defensive situation. You would be splitting hairs here at any length.

5.) The Glock needs less maintenence.

6.) Neither Glock nor Sig rust very quickly, but the Glock doesn't rust at all.

7.) The Glock doesn't use as much lube, Sigs tend to gall if you don't grease 'em up good. Stainless steel meets alloy kinda thing.

8.) The Glock mags are cheap. Real cheap.

9.) It's almost impossible not to see at least one Glock armorer in a gunshow or at a shop somewhere, so Glock has lots of support people throughout.

10.) The Glock is the easiest pistol in America to find quality holsters for cheap or any other accessories.

My analysis. Glock makes the best 9mm full size for concealment, regardless of money. The Glock 19 and smaller does not fit my hand, I have big hands though. You do have to learn the Safe Action Trigger, but once you learn where it stages, (which may take all of 50 rounds) you're golden. It doesn't fit my hands perfect, but what weapon is perfect? it's close enough for Rock & Roll. The grip angle tends to point high until you learn to shoot it, which if you are taught center mass, you're golden. The Glock 17 is also capable of impressive firepower in the right hands.

The Glock is very easy to learn and maintain. It has support everywhere and you never have to worry about it going bang. It will.

The Glock .40 Stinks IMHO, I had a lot of trouble with mine.

Sigs are as follows:

1.) Good ergonomics. I don't have to change a thing to get it to fit perfectly.

2.) Superb reliability, it rarely comes better. Just keep the Rig +P coming (it's a lube.) Otherwise, galling.

3.) Sig has better sights, metal line and dot, great with both eyes open shooting.

4.) Sig has a great trigger, though the DA/SA transitioning usually causes first shot flyers for people who don't practice about twice a month.

5.) Sig has TERRIFIC customer service, they have given me parts such as grips for free, always been courteous and treats you like you matter (I hope Ruger is listening) and backs their product reputation up with likewise service and product knowledge.

6.) Sig is dead on accurate.


My analysis of Sig is, great in all calibers but the Sig 229 is the best .40 money can buy, bar none. I carry this as a duty weapon and will carry it off duty in hairy locations, with my mace and spare mags.

Glock's Cons List;

1.) There is a learning curve to use one, IE Trigger, Grip angle.

2.) Plastic sights, what the hell were they thinking? Though mine haven't come off yet. :rolleyes:

3.) Lack of being able to adjust the grip without using stick on or rubber thingy majigs that look like crap.

4.) The Glock ain't gonna impress no one down at the range. They are to guns what blue jeans are to fashion. Comfortable, reliable, tough and everyone has a pair.

Okay now for the Sig Cons List:

1.) Too heavy for all day wear. Heck even their 239 in 9mm is 29 oz. unloaded. DANG! ;)

2.) The Sig does not hold as many rounds as a like sized Glock.

3.) Sigs can and will gall if you let them slide rails get dry. No problem for everyday use and the trip to the range, but a consideration if you take part at say, Thunder Ranch.

4.) DA/SA triggers also have a learning curve, just as the Glock and in my experience take more practice to keep from getting a first shot flyer.

5.) Sig Pro, although a fantastic plastic with a wonderful trigger, is a little tough to break down and reassemble.

6.) Sig is pretty thick for IWB carry.

So the moral of the story is: Concealed Carry = Glock / Range = Sig

Best .40 S&W money can buy = Sig 229.

Best 9mm money can buy = haven't found it yet, though CZ comes close. Too dang heavy for carry though. Glock 17 is best 9mm for CCW for me.

Most accurate? Tough one, sit a 2 1/2 inch target up at 25 yards, set up a bench rest, grab about 400 rounds of various weights of ammo with different makers, get an expert with a surgeons touch to shoot it. Then take the averages of each and determine it. Now do this with 3 identical guns of each brand just in case you got a lemmon. :neener:
 
Sig's or Glock's. I have the same questions. I keep buying them trying to figure it out. :uhoh:

I love shooting the Sig's, I enjoy taking them to the range and shooting them, but the Glock's are so easy to shoot, I can shoot them fast and accurately.

So I'm just developing a small collection of both right now. I carry my 226's the most, but htat little 26 is getting more and more holster wear on it :uhoh:

Mt Glocks a 34, 17 and 26 (yea, I like 9's):
(going to add a Glock 30 after the holidays are over)

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G26 with 12 rd mags
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The 34 is a great gun, It has more rounds through it then the others and it's only a few months old. I bought it for IPSC, but I'm starting to realize at my size I can easily carry it. The 26 is the best damn little 9mm ever invented! I have literaly forgotten I'm carrying it (not a good thing to do here in MD) It has a 12 round mag (now that the AW ban is over :D ) And shoots like a dream. It has no right to be as accurate as it is, the only down side to it is that I'm haveing trouble with double taps (that's all me, not the gun)

And my Sigs, 3- P226's (2 9mm's and 1 357 Sig), P226ST (9mm) P228, P220, P239 (9mm):

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The Sig's are a pleasure to shoot. I started with the 239 because of price, but quickly had to have a 228, then the 220 caught my eye, (mainly because of the 10,00 round test Shooting Times did. After that the 226 addiction began. Sig started releasing the police trade in's and their certified guns and I had to have a couple (my first 2 226 9mm's). Then I came across the 226ST and fell in total love with the weight and lack of recoil, so I bought a 9mm version. Then I found a deal on a 226 in 357 Sig and snatched it up. I don't know where or when this addiction will end....................
 
I've gone through quite a few pistols before I settled on the Sig P226 and the Glock 20. I have a couple others, USP .40 and a Glock 17, but they just don't satisfy me the way the P226 and the G-20 do.
If the P226 feels good in your hand GET IT!
They are great. I was out shooting Sunday and it was VERY cold. The Sig handled very well with gloves. I was shooting almost as well as I do in summer. My other pistols were a little harder to deal with. My best 50 yard offhand groups have been shot with the P226 with the Glock 20 a close second.
I bought my Sig well used and the trigger was smoother than a new one of course, but even the new ones are pretty good and they only get better.
I modified my mags to work in my Ruger PC-9 carbine and it makes a handy little combo.
The P226 is my 'sports car' and my Glock 20 is my '4X4 truck'.
 
Now I am the one gun nut in the Northern hemisphere who doesn't like the BHP. Sue me. I don't like the mag disconnect, the external safety and I actually think they look kinda fugly. Ok I said it, now everybody can bring the pain.
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No you are not, I've never been a fan of the BHP. I had a MK III for a while and the sear lever cracked when I was shooting it after only 2000 rounds (It was NIB when I bought it) After Browning fixed it I stuck it on consignment and never looked back.
 
Alduro - thanks a lot for your excellent input ... jeep too.

I guess I am wanting metal quality - and that leans me toward SIG . OTOH - I want to try something different for IDPA - somethat will suit carry also. I really am not sure I can ''live with'' a Glock - just not certain at all - and yet by all accounts, one of those would almost for sure see my scores go up.

Worrying thing is (oh and BTW Alduro - I am thinking almost exclusively 9mm) - it is beginning to look like maybe three of each will ''do'' .. :D Better go get another few lottery tickets.

Seriously - I really would like to have at least G17, G19, and at least two of the SIG's ....... I have little doubt I could enjoy them all :p.

This thread has exceeded my expectations - masses of good solid opinion and experience. Thx once more.
 
9mm...okay heres the deal in metal quality from what I have been told.

The Sig 228 and 229 are solid bar stock slides. VERY tough. The 226 is not, it is 2 piece.

The Glocks are also cut from soid bar stock. VERY tough like the 228 and 229.

The alloy on the Sigs is tough however again, you MUST keep it lubed to prevent galling. I hope I said that enough.

The Plastic with steel rails on the Glock, tough, I don't need to argue that.

The finish on the Sig is not as tough as the finish on the Glock. I am not sure of the Rockwell hardness of each of the slides, suffice to say, neither will wear out in your lifetime, the alloy will though if you don't keep it lubed. :p

I say buy a Sig 226 Police trade or 228 from CDNN. THEN, get a Glock. The Glocks are a dime a dozen, they are everywhere. Sigs are here then gone. Demand for Sig is also ever increasing, I predict a price hike in the next year or two.

Moral is, get both, be patient. What was it that the veteran cop said to the rookie (Sean Penn) in colors?

"Two bulls were standing at the top of a hill looking down at all the cows. The younger bull said, 'hey, lets run down there and screw one of those cows.' The older bull said 'no, lets walk down there and screw them all."

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This thread has exceeded my expectations - masses of good solid opinion and experience. Thx once more.
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If you would like I am sure we could muster up some good ole' fashioned Glocks suck because they are dangerous and SIGs rust and you are an idiot if you don't buy a 1911 but only if it's in 10mm but not made by Kimber because they have MIM parts so it has to be NRM Colt but they are sellouts. :evil: :cuss: :neener:

Ok yeah and AKs rule!!!!!
 
My daily carry gun's a sig P245, the 220's little brother, which was chosen largely due to the ergonomics; it simply wanted to be in my hand. Most of the time, it lives in a blade tech UCH, and is pretty comfy there.

Sig 245 advantages: It's a medium sized single stack .45, normally 6+1, but will accept 220 mags for 8+1. Additionally, handle extenders are available for the 220 mags, although I don't normally use one, as I prefer the 8 rounder to be flat in the role of being my spare mag.

Don't underestimate the value of an external hammer. When a hammer is present, the drill is to put it into the appropriate state (decocked for a sig, cocked for a 1911 type, safety on) and place the thumb upon it when holstering. Thus, if the trigger should catch on something in the holstering process, you'll either catch the hammer with your thumb (1911) or feel it begin to move (sig), presenting you with a last chance opportunity to prevent glocking your own buttocks.

The geek on glocks: a fine enough gun, just not for me. I don't like the grip, and my instinct is to grip it tighter when firing so as to prevent it from flying to pieces. ;) :neener:
 
alduro , are you sure about those model numbers?
My P226 has a one piece stainless/nitron slide. Milled solid, not folded with insert.
I beleive either the P228 or P229 has a two peice stamped and welded slide with insert. I can never remember which model.
The Stainless/nitron (black) slide over alloy frame model is great. zero maintenance (other than basic interior clean and lube), zero rust, zero scratches on mine.
 
Galling isn't a problem on Sigs, even when under-lubed. Galling was a problem on stainless guns, but stainless slide/alloy frame pistols don't have that problem. Galling really isn't much of a problem on any modern pistol. It's a problem that's been overcome.
 
Old style P226 and P220, P228 and P245 have a slide made from two pieces and formed over a mandrel. It's an expensive process that gives the slide added strength. It wasn't done as a cost saving measure.

The new style P226, P239 and P229 have slides machined from a solid billet of stainless steel. They're finished in either stainless or Nitron.

If the SIG fits your hand and you like the DA/SA then get it. Don't worry about it weighing more and being larger than a Glock. What matters is what works for you.

But if you want a polymer frame with DA/SA and cocked and locked look at a HK USP. :)
 
Po2hammer, what Telcote said.

Spackler, I'm afraid you are absolutely mistaken. I speak from experience. I attended a class in which rapid fire and combat fire was the order of the day. I was using a factory stock Sig 229 all black stainless steel with alloy frame as I believe all the P series Sigs have. During this course of fire we fired anywhere from 300 to 600 rounds with no cleaning or lube. I had lubed up with Hoppes oil on the rails before the shoot. Every thing went fine with no jaming but upon cleaning my weapon, I noticed about a 1/4 inch silver rough spot on the same place of the under side of the rails on both sides. I took it to my smith who confirmed that it was indeed galling caused by friction from a stainless steel slide (which is very hard) and an alloy frame (which is soft). He filed the galling out flat to smooth the action and recommended I use Rig +P on the gun to prevent any further galling.

Galling DOES happen on modern Sigs. Mine is less than 2 years old.
 
We'll, it wouldn't be the first time that I may have been mistaken. I'm familiar with the term "galling" being used to describe a type of wear on stainless, mainly due to stainless-on-stainless contact. Some early stainless pistols had galling problems. Modern ones don't. I'm not familiar with the term used to describe wear on an aluminum alloy frame.

I have to say, I don't own a Sig with a stainless slide, but I've owned a few stainless/alloy S&W autos, shot them plenty, and haven't had a problem with frame wear. Maybe S&W just makes them better. :)

Or maybe I don't run them bone dry.
 
My first gun was a P226 9mm, and at one point I think I had 7 SIGs. At this point, I have two -- a P220ST and a P225 (oh, and the 'other' SIG, a GSR). I love the quality, the easy maintenance, the design...

But then I started to carry (IWB), and one day I bought a Glock G36. Now I also own a G32, and I'm probably going to get a G19. Other than a Kahr PM9 for pocket carry, I find the Glocks to be by far the easiest to conceal. They are smooth, snag-free, and simple to use. They are also more "left-handed friendly" than SIGs.

At the range I enjoy shooting the SIGs, and I've had my P220ST with a Streamlight M6 on it as a "nightstand" gun at times, but until the day comes that I carry OWB (never?) I'll be CCW'ing with Glocks. My point is, they are both great but for me serve different purposes.
 
I have a G19 in the mix curently & no SIGs. For whatever the reason, I keep going back to having a Glock in the collection...the P228 & 225 are very appealing tho :rolleyes: Altho not complicated by any stretch of the imagination, I do prefer the Glock's simplicity & ambidextrous nature over the SIG's right hand dominance.
 
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