Is the .270 WIN/150 gr. - Just a Crappy .30-06...?

[Garandimal]

Is the .270 WIN/150 gr. just a crappy .30-06?

That has been mentioned.

And while the .270 WIN made its bones w/ the flat shooting (and destructive) 130 gr. spitzer bullet...?

For me, the unintended consequence of the .270 WIN is the 150 gr..

- .308/180 gr. B.C. and S.D..
- .300 H&H velocity and trajectory.
- .30 M2 Ball energy and shoot-all-day recoil.

Ooops.




GR

 

[js8588]

Agreed. A 270 win (24 inch barrel) shooting 130s & 150s gives me the distance I don't get from my 6.5x55 without stepping up to the (unnecessary) recoil of a fast 300. If I need something with more power, I'm not shooting over 200 yards & my 9.3x62 will get it done.

 

[BreechFace]

Is the .270 WIN/150 gr. just a crappy .30-06?

That has been mentioned.

And while the .270 WIN made its bones w/ the flat shooting (and destructive) 130 gr. spitzer bullet...?

For me, the unintended consequence of the .270 WIN is the 150 gr..

- .308/180 gr. B.C. and S.D..
- .300 H&H velocity and trajectory.
- .30 M2 Ball energy and shoot-all-day recoil.

Ooops.




GR

You need to finish your 270 M1 Garand and find out if what you say above is true.

 

[Garandimal]

You need to finish your 270 M1 Garand and find out if what you say above is true.

Have a metric crap-load of M2 Ball for the M1 rifles, and a few rounds of 168 gr. TSX (and Ported Gas Plug) for the field.


For an aperture sighted rifle, 2-250 yds is about the limit for precise field shooting on game.

And the .270 WIN's advantage is longer ranges a/o a lighter rifle.


The 6.5x55 Creedmoor's Grandpa conversion is interesting, though.

Military cartridge that should be a kitten to shoot, likes the 24" Bbl, and the 140 gr. GS does fine work on game out to 250.




GR

 

[Garandimal]

Agreed. A 270 win (24 inch barrel) shooting 130s & 150s gives me the distance I don't get from my 6.5x55 without stepping up to the (unnecessary) recoil of a fast 300. If I need something with more power, I'm not shooting over 200 yards & my 9.3x62 will get it done.

Ahhh... the 6.5x55 Creedmoor's Grandpa/.270 WIN/9.3x62 Bock triumvirate.

Everything else? ...is sophistry.






GR

 

[BreechFace]

For an aperture sighted rifle, 2-250 yds is about the limit for precise field shooting on game.
GR

9-Hole Reviews - Practical Accuracy I like these guys videos, the Asian is a good shooter.

 

[Hog huntin Harry]

I believe the 180 grain 30-06 is a crappy 150 grain .270 WCF and the 150 grain 30-06 is a crappy 130 grain .270 WCF.

 

[Garandimal]

9-Hole Reviews - Practical Accuracy I like these guys videos, the Asian is a good shooter.

Man-size targets - are not acceptable for field shooting on game.

For me, an 8" target is max... 6" is better.


Communists...? You can wound w/ a smile.




GR

 

[Garandimal]

I believe the 180 grain 30-06 is a crappy 150 grain .270 WCF and the 150 grain 30-06 is a crappy 130 grain .270 WCF.

You may be on ta somethin' there, H^3.






GR

 

[BreechFace]

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[earlthegoat2]

Aaaaaand here we go for this month.

Or is it weekly now?

 

[Hog huntin Harry]

A 160 grain .277 has a S.D. of .314
A 200 grain .308 has a S.D. of .301

If I need more penetration than .314 then I'm grabbing the .600 NE and some 900 grain solids (which have a S.D. of .357)

 

[js8588]

Ahhh... the 6.5x55 Creedmoor's Grandpa/.270 WIN/9.3x62 Bock triumvirate.

Everything else? ...is sophistry.






GR

Eh, still want a 375 Ruger Guide Gun & a 375 H&H CZ 550 to round out the top end, but that's about it.

 

[Garandimal]

Eh, still want a 375 Ruger Guide Gun & a 375 H&H CZ 550 to round out the top end, but that's about it.

Barrin' the Dark Continent, and possibly the jungles of SE Asia...?




GR

 

[Garandimal]

Aaaaaand here we go for this month.

Or is it weekly now?

That's the Spirit!




GR

 

[Hog huntin Harry]

Armed with these I'd feel confident up against these

 

[Pivot Dr]

A while

Armed with these View attachment 962533 I'd feel confident up against these View attachment 962534 View attachment 962535 View attachment 962536

A whole lot better than a pocket full of stones!

 

[Garandimal]

Armed with these View attachment 962533 I'd feel confident up against these View attachment 962534 View attachment 962535 View attachment 962536

Agree.

If a .277"/150 gr. Nosler Partition isn't enough...?

...then a LOT more is required.

9.3x62mm cartridge with a recovered 286gr Swift A-Frame and Woodleigh FMJ



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GR

 

[adcoch1]

Agree.

If a .277"/150 gr. Nosler Partition isn't enough...?

...then a LOT more is required.

View attachment 962541
9.3x62mm cartridge with a recovered 286gr Swift A-Frame and Woodleigh FMJ



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GR

This is true...

 

[Alaskan Ironworker]

By that logic the 30-06 just a crappy.35 whelen.

 

[Hog huntin Harry]

By that logic the 30-06 just a crappy.35 whelen.

It is...

 

[LoonWulf]

They are all just crappy .375s!!!....like the real ones, not the sissy ones.....

.......course ive never been in a situation where having a .270 or .375 instead of....well..... almost anything else would have really mattered......Wait maybe the bull my buddy shot in the foot...yeah i wish i had the .375 then.

 

[WestKentucky]

By that logic the 30-06 just a crappy.35 whelen.

And 25-06 is what?

 

[Alaskan Ironworker]

Lol now im confused... I went through a similar argument with a coworker when I told him I wanted to get a whelen. His logic was: “ so its a bigger bullet with no more powder behind it than a 30-06? Sounds weaker than a 30-06.” So I told him, by that logic, a 30-06 is just a bigger bullet with no more powder behind it than a .270, so .270 is more powerful than 30-06?

 

[BreechFace]

Just compare the energies of the 270, 30-06 and 35 Whelen at under 100 yards and one quickly realizes why the 35 Whelen exists.

Roughly:

270 Win 2,700-2,800 ft/lbs.
30-06 3,000-3,100 ft/lbs.
35 Whelen 3,500-3,600 ft/lbs.

Now energies aren't a predictor of performance necessarily but they do provide the work the projectile will do.