Just out of curiosity

[azhunter122]

What is the penalty for carrying a concealed gun without a permit? I spoke with an interesting guy at they range yesterday and he said that the 2nd Ammendment was his CCP, I was thinking you just go right ahead and I'll watch! haha.

 

[dacavasi]

It varies by state but in most places it's a felony...

 

[azhunter122]

How's about Arizona?

 

[Prince Yamato]

I spoke with an interesting guy at they range yesterday and he said that the 2nd Amendment was his CCP

I always love it when people say this. They're usually the blowhard types who are more bark than bite or are too cheap to get a permit. In Texas, it's a misdemeanor in some areas and a felony in others. You'll hear all sorts of excuses; I listened for a half hour as one guy told me that he didn't want the government to track him and since it was only (generally) a misdemeanor if he was caught carrying, he carried without a permit. This is why, he said, that I shouldn't have gotten my permit. It would be different if they used a modifier and said, "The Second Amendment should be my Concealed Carry Permit," but instead, they sound like they want to (or in the case I mentioned do) subvert the law.

People post crap like that on THR all the time; "I don't NEED a permit to CCW." Unless you live in AK or VT, yes, you do.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

Prince Yamato: " I listened for a half hour as one guy told me that he didn't want the government to track him and since it was only (generally) a misdemeanor if he was caught carrying, he carried without a permit. "

I'd have been sooooo tempted to identify myself on the spot as a "government official" ("officer of the court," municipal board member, et cetera). Except that he'd probably have exercised what he understands to be his Second Amendment rights and shot me.

Years before I had a permit, I had a carry rig "for emergencies" (i.e., without benefit of permit). I never carried illegally -- I never faced such an "emergency." Not that I never had any emergencies back then; it's just that by "for emergency" in the case of illegal carry, I meant "for a catastrophic emergency so frigging huge that a misdemeanor conviction would amount to a hill of beans by comparison"). Somehow I doubt your friend was so discriminating.

 

[azhunter122]

Yeah you described the guy I spoke with exactly! Wouldn't stop talking either so I started shooting my .357!

 

[little miss]

O boy here we go,so it's Ok to carry with a state issued piece of paper,but the constitution means what?just a #$%%& piece of paper . is it a RIGHT or privilege .....?

 

[yeti]

Permits, I don't need no stinkin' permits.

 

[evan price]

I don't disagree that the 2A is our CCW license. I als odon't think that a piece of paper is what makes a gun legal to carry.

However I am also understanding that as a society the majority of people have accepted the loss of rights as natural and necessary. Because ofthat we have laws like CCW is not legal without a permit. That you can't speed in a school zone. Stuff like that. And like it or not, as much as we want otherwise, the force of law is against you in that the state has enacted laws that make you a criminal for practicing your full 2A rights, and right or wrong, these laws are quite capable of getting you in a lot of trouble. You can talk all you want about that, but when you are proned out on the sidewalk with six Sheriff's Deputies pointing Glocks at you, you will feel quite different indeed.

Lots of people carry without a state-issued piece of paper. Heck, in Ohio, before our CCW law was passed, we had the affirmative defense known as "The Prudent Man Defense" which was that if a prudent man felt necessary to go armed, it was admissable as a legitimate defense in a trial for CCW charges. The best means of avoiding trouble is to avoid situations where trouble could arise, obey the law in all other aspects and shut your pie hole.

An anecdote was related to me about a CCW class recently where one guy showed up and a sign on the door says not to bring guns inside the class building. So the fella takes a pistol out of his sweat pants waistband and sticks it in the console of his car and comes back in for his CCW class.

The car in question was a beat up old Mazda with collision damage all over it and a broken windshield. I'm not judging the guy by his car, I am pointing out that I can see this guy getting pulled over for broken tail lamp or cracked windshield, an unlicensed CCW gun will be found, he will be arrested and charged with a felony.

If you are going to carry without a CCW you need to be low key, off the radar, keep the obvious violations dealt with.

 

[wyocarp]

It varies by state but in most places it's a felony

I'd like to see that in writing. I know someone in Wyoming who recieved a ticket, much like a speeding ticket for carrying. Paid the fine and that was it.

 

[little miss]

yes i know the law is the law ,but lets not promote it, can we,we should fight together agents such laws

 

[sernv99]

"...I listened for a half hour as one guy told me that he didn't want the government to track him and since it was only (generally) a misdemeanor if he was caught carrying, he carried without a permit..."

another conspiracy theorist who is some no name avergage Joe and thinks the world revolves around him. These are the type that give a bad name to gun owners. No logic, uneducated, and bitter about their life...and watching too many gov't spy movies on TV or reading too many conspiracy books like The Turner Diaries. You want to stay away from these types as that they are probably wouldn't use logic in deciding when to pull their piece on someone and shoot. Hence why I support licensing procedures. The mere fact that you could land in some legal trouble without a permit prevents the most uneducated from CCwing and acting like it's the Wild West.

 

[bdickens]

Prince Yamato is wrong about Texas.

Only the State can create a felony.

Carrying without a licence is a class A misdemeanor.

 

[everallm]

Last time I checked 2A there's no line there about concealed carry, arguably OPEN carry but no CC.......

I really wish people would stay awake during civics classes and read ALL the paper they spout about.

 

[woof]

You only need a permit if you get caught, right?

 

[wyocarp]

another conspiracy theorist who is some no name avergage Joe and thinks the world revolves around him. These are the type that give a bad name to gun owners. No logic, uneducated, and bitter about their life...and watching too many gov't spy movies on TV or reading too many conspiracy books like The Turner Diaries. You want to stay away from these types as that they are probably wouldn't use logic in deciding when to pull their piece on someone and shoot. Hence why I support licensing procedures. The mere fact that you could land in some legal trouble without a permit prevents the most uneducated from CCwing and acting like it's the Wild West.

I totally disagree. How does someone who carries a weapon without a permit give me a bad name? Answer, he doesn't. It is his personal choice and I personally support it. I think it has little to do with amount of education or the number of movies one has watched.

 

[deadin]

How does someone who carries a weapon without a permit give me a bad name?

It’s called “stereotyping”. He carries a gun, you carry a gun. Both of you must be the same. People that stereotype don’t take little things like “permits” into account. He broke the law, first impression of you is that you probably breaking the law also.
(Remember, first impressions are lasting impressions.)

As for “I don’t need no stinking permit, I got the 2nd Amendment”.
You might have the right of way in front of that speeding 18 wheeler, but it can be real painful to test it.

 

[ArmedBear]

I'd like to see that in writing. I know someone in Wyoming who recieved a ticket, much like a speeding ticket for carrying.

In the broad, curved swath of America that runs from Bonner's Ferry to Galveston, things are just a little different from how they are in lesser states.

 

[209]

Quote:
It varies by state but in most places it's a felony

I'd like to see that in writing. I know someone in Wyoming who recieved a ticket, much like a speeding ticket for carrying. Paid the fine and that was it.

In CT, it's a Class D felony under CGS 29-35- Carrying of Pistol or Revolver without a permit. Not less than 1 yr or more than 5 years (1 year of which may not be suspended or reduced in the absence of any mitigating factors) and $1000 fine.

Not being within his dwelling, house or place of business AND not having a valid permit, the actor carries any pistol or revolver on his person.

I'm basically too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure it's also a felony in NY (at least in NYC), MA, NJ, and DC. Probably in CA also.

 

[wyocarp]

I'm basically too lazy to look it up, but I'm pretty sure it's also a felony in NY (at least in NYC), MA, NJ, and DC. Probably in CA also.

To reference those states isn't saying much. It's illegal to have brain waves in those states.

 

[Hungry Seagull]

Not good news any way you cut it where we are.

However, Criminals do it all the time anyway. *Shrugs.

 

[glockman19]

In California, IF you do NOT meet the statuatory definition of a gang member, and the gun is registered to you and it is your first offence and you are not committing any other crime it's a misdemenor to carry a concealed loaded weapon.

If you are carrying, "any knife" and it is concealed...it is a FELONY.

So in CA. You're better off carrying a loaded gun than knife. That's why the new knives have clips. if the clip is visible it's not concealed.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Well glockman19, with regard to California, you're wrong about knives. It's a felony to carry a fixed blade knife concealed. It's completely legal to carry a folding knife, other than a switch blade, balisong or "flick" knife, concealed, of any size, as long as it is folded. The clip doesn't mean a thing.

As far as carrying a concealed gun being only a misdemeanor, a misdemeanor is not the same as a traffic ticket. You are subject to arrest, being taken to jail, booked and waiting in a cell until you can make bail. You can go to jail for up to a year. If you have a clean record, you probably can avoid going to jail by making a plea deal. As part of any plea bargain, you will probably have to agree to a period of probabtion (during which time your 4th Amendment rights are suspended) and you will also have to give up your guns, and you will not be able to legally buy more.

One may probably expect a similar result in many other states.

Laws prohibiting carry guns without permits are valid and enforceable unless and until a court tosses them out. If you are caught, you will pay whatever penalty is applicable unless you can mount a successful defense, based on the 2nd Amendment or otherwise. If you want to challenge such a law, be my guest; but I hope you have several million dollars lying around. The legal bill in Heller was around $3.5 Million, IIRC.

Oh, and courts have generally recognized that Constitutionally protected rights can be subject to limited regulation. I suspect that it is highly unlikely that a court would throw out a "shall issue" permit law. But if you've got the money, take your best shot.

 

[sernv99]

How does someone who carries a weapon without a permit give me a bad name? Answer, he doesn't. It is his personal choice and I personally support it. I think it has little to do with amount of education or the number of movies one has watched

if they are carrying without a permit, they are knowingly breaking the law. It doesn't matter if you think the law is screwed up or not, you are Joe Citizen. Joe Citizen must obey the law. If you want to change the law, run for office instead of talking about philosophical meaning of the 2nd Amend. Actions means a lot more than words.

 

[ultradoc]

OK. Here is a question. If you have a ccp and have a ccw on your person and go into a place of business that has the universal no gun sign [the pistol with a red stripe through it]on the front door and you get caught what are the penalties?