McCain is definitely running in 2008

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Just in case... I need to save up money and get some toys on my list that will be deemed 'evil'.... just let there be a grandfather clause.
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This was the excuse I used with my wife before the November elections. Picked up 5 guns that way.

One thing to remember about the primary season. The candidates run to the edges of their party because that is who votes in the primaries. They spend the rest of the contest running back to the middle to appeal to the most voters.

I don't think McCain has done much to appeal to the active conservatives. If he gets past the primarys, I do think that he would have appeal to the great middle. My three kids all voted for sKerry, but have said they would support McCain.

Hillary v. McCain...........not much difference who won. I'd vote libertarian also. There wasn't much difference between Bush I (gungrabber) and Clinton (gungrabber) and 20% of us (me included) voted for Perot. Too bad Rudy has so much baggage.

Just for an exercise, look and see how many representatives/senators actually made it to the white house....exceedingly few. Mostly it's govenors (Bush II, Clinton, Reagan, Carter) or non-legislative types with executive experience (Bush I). Senators have had to make too many deals and have little executive experience.
 
or non-legislative types with executive experience (Bush I).
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Don't forget about Ford (although he never actually won an election on his own), Johnson, Ike, and Truman. Even Nixon is sort of in that group (can't remember what he did between veep for Ike and when he won his first POTUS term).

IIRC Kennedy was the last Senator elected to the White house. Senators just have not done well in Presidential elections (see Kerry, Dole, Mondale, McGovern - I think, and Goldwater).
 
While experience is great up to a point, let us not forget Hillary carpet-bagged her way into a Senate seat, and she had never held office beforehand, or even lived in the NY for a significant amount of time. That's really amazing, when you think on it. Could she do the same for the presidency? I wouldn't underestimate her.
 
I'm talking out of my hat as usual, but I don't believe there will be a GOP
person in the WH come 2008. I think people nowadays let incumbents
stay in office for the 8 yrs and they pick the other party. Look at recent
elections. Only one that didn't get an 8 yrs ride was George Bush Senior.

I hate to say it and should go wash my mouth out with soap, but I think
Clinton stands a pretty good shot. Not at being pres, but vice pres.
Never know. This was has cost and has cost big time along and with the
so-called "Patriot Act", and hard economy, I think people won't be so
inclined to vote for the GOP. Once again one never knows..

I just wish Tom McClintock of California has a shot. Times change and if
there were to be an amendment to allow legal aliens to run, I think Conan
would make a run and do pretty good. :uhoh:
 
Perot won the election for Clinton
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That's a two way street remember. Ralph Nader did a fine job helping President Bush win the 2000 election, although he was less of a factor in 2004.
 
As long as the Republicans don't stab him in the back, I'm sure McCain will stay with his party.

A McCain candidacy, though, would have the same result that we saw in 1992: conservatives staying home. It wasn't Perot who caused Bush 41 to lose, it was Bush. Republicans can't offend the conservative base, and both Bush 41 and McCain did and have.
 
Is Bill Clinton able to run for VP?
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Section 1 of the 22nd Amendment...

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once.

Even tho he would be elected VP, and only serve out a term of his President if necessary, it utimately looks like Clinton (male) is SOL. If he is elected to the office of Vice President, he is being elected as a backup to the President...it looks like any chance that he would serve would not allowed under this amendment.

Even if you read it different, Clinton (male) would not take the chance of fomenting a constitutional crisis. He's going to grab Clinton's (female) senate seat, the UN secretary job, or some other cushy spot.
 
Is Bill Clinton able to run for VP?
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Nope. He's constitutionally limited to two terms for life. In order to be veep, he must be eligible to be POTUS. Since by law he cannot be POTUS again, he can NOT be the veep candidate. Although it says elected, rather than serve, two terms, being elected veep is considered being elected president (since the veep becomes pres if the president dies/becomes incapacitated/impeached/resigns) for the purposes of constitutional eligibility. Considering that more than 10% of veeps take over (the two Johnsons, Truman, Ford, and whoever was Clevland's veep) it's a real and substantial issue.

Amendment 22:
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.
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As long as the Republicans don't stab him in the back, I'm sure McCain will stay with his party.
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Perhaps. Though why a back stabber would feel entitled not to be stabbed in the back is an interesting question in psychology. Let's compromise: Plant the knife in his front, instead.
 
If McCain runs no need to even go vote. Last I read GOA gave him a lower rating then Kerry. Far as being a POW I think the way he wants you to believe and the way it was aren't the same. He came back dumped his wife married one young enought to be his daughter Had her father pull strings to get him his first elected office. He was a POW but no hero the way he wants you to believe!
 
One thing different is that there will be no former VP running, giving the administration any incumbency. I assume Cheney will retire, if he lives that long. It will be kind of an unusual clean slate. A big if is what would change if Cheney was out of the picture before 2008, and the GOP had another chance to position someone as vice president incumbent. I would bet they would move in their senior person. If it happened tomorrow, who would it be? I would say Bill Frist as a natural promotion, very compatible with Bush, and already interested in running in 2008.
 
The choices for the republican ticket make me want to puke.

They are all a bunch of career panderers and liars who have a decidedly statist and anti-libertarian slant to their views.

I really wish the Republicans would let Ron Paul run for president. Then again maybe I should stop drinking.
 
Interesting note in the Dallas Morning News, McCain met with Austin political consultant Mark McKinnon recently. McKinnon was Bush's point man on advertising in both 2000 and 2004. McKinnon is also a former Democrat who worked for Ann Richards and got into a bit of hot water for donating $2,000 to Sen. John Cornyn's Democrat opponent while working as a consultant for the Bush administration in 2002.

McKinnon is reputed to be a close friend of Bush and said that he is interested in running McCain's campaign provided that neither Jeb Bush or Condoleeza Rice throw their hats into the ring for 2008.
 
If you look at McCain voting record he is as bad as her. Heck GOA gave McCain a lower rating then Kerry or Kennedy. If McCain gets the nob from the big shots in the party then the gun owners should just vote 3rd party because to us it would make no difference who gets in
 
Wow McCain got an F- from GOA. Cold blooded. It would be funny if the Dems ran Dean (who is A rated) and both NRA and GOA supported a dem president.

Tho I have to wonder how long his pro-gun attitudes would last in the smoky back rooms where candidates are decided. Bill Clinton wasnt anti-gun until he became president either.

I wish there was some alternative, like a party that was uncompromisingly pro-liberty.
 
The Dems can't run Dean.
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Dean has gone off the deep edge:

Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, unapologetic in the face of recent criticism that he has been too tough on his political opposition, said in San Francisco this week that Republicans are "a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2005/06/07/MNdean07.TMP

Which is just the latest outragous statement he has made since becoming chairman. He's the best DNC chairman that the republicans could have.
 
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