Bartholomew Roberts
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As embodied by membership in Congress and the former Clinton administration, the Democrat party is pretty monolithic and mostly white Christians. Nothing controversial about it in the least.
McCain is definitely running in 2008
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As embodied by membership in Congress and the former Clinton administration, the Democrat party is pretty monolithic and mostly white Christians. Nothing controversial about it in the least.
Henry Bowman
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Yes, I agree. but in the meantime, it give us something about which to stay vigilent.
RealGun
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Yeah, maybe, but I don't think that's why Dean threw in the Christian part. Dems don't usually wear religion on their sleeves or insist that it be central to government, do they? We kind of have to deal in stereotypes here to make either sense or nonsense of what Dean said. I don't know about you, but I knew exactly what he meant and don't really disagree. He may be obnoxious but is not really off the mark in my opinion.
You make a point that there isn't a clear line on some issues, but it would be silly to ignore that social issues divide the parties. By way of economics and culture the political divide is racial as well.
RealGun
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FYI, I did the research, and the 43 members of the 109th Congressional Black Caucus, including Senator Obama, are 100% Democrats. Either there are no black Republicans in Congress or the CBC is a private club for Democrats, most likely black ones. I know of no other way to verify racial composition of Congress. Just confirming party affiliation is hard enough.
With that in mind, I don't believe a reference to the Republicans as "white" is entirely inappropriate as frank political commentary.
With that in mind, I don't believe a reference to the Republicans as "white" is entirely inappropriate as frank political commentary.
Condi Rice is about the least offensive Repub possibility, so I'd like to see her on the ballot, since she's voiced strong support for guns. McCain is the enemy, as far as I'm concerned, bringing us 1st amendment abridgement (mccain/feingold), and pushing to close down gun shows. I'll vote for Harry Browne or some such (again), and my state will go repub of course (again).
Monkeyleg
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RealGun, JC Watts was the last black Republican member of Congress. He retired his seat in 2002, IIRC.
So, no, there are no black Republicans in Congress.
So, no, there are no black Republicans in Congress.
JB in SC
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I don't think McCain will get the nomination. In the republican primaries, the more conservative voters tend to show up. I don't think his recent actions will endear him to any real conservative. Although he is clearly trying to position himself as a voice of reason, it might not get him anywhere.
If he trys to run as an independent, his legacy of campaign finance reform might bite him. I imagine both parties are frightened at that prospect. I hear a lot of Democrats say how much they like him, but I am doubtful they would pull the lever. Along with Nader, or another possible contender, it would create an even closer race than 2000. And I am not sure he is willing to throw the country into another very stressful disputed election.
When the dust settles, we may very well see a relative dark horse get the republican nomination. I am sorry to say the primaries will just weaken the party with the Democrats swooning over Clinton. The Swift Boat ads will be considered mere child's play when we see the attacks (already planned for her) by the real power brokers in the republican party.
It will be a show not to be missed....
If he trys to run as an independent, his legacy of campaign finance reform might bite him. I imagine both parties are frightened at that prospect. I hear a lot of Democrats say how much they like him, but I am doubtful they would pull the lever. Along with Nader, or another possible contender, it would create an even closer race than 2000. And I am not sure he is willing to throw the country into another very stressful disputed election.
When the dust settles, we may very well see a relative dark horse get the republican nomination. I am sorry to say the primaries will just weaken the party with the Democrats swooning over Clinton. The Swift Boat ads will be considered mere child's play when we see the attacks (already planned for her) by the real power brokers in the republican party.
It will be a show not to be missed....
Waitone
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Wasn't Howie screaming about a white "party." In my feeble mind a party is much larger than the hairballs in DC.
RealGun
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The GOP is "white", as in "not black". I wouldn't be surprised if black Republican exceptions have heard the "Uncle Tom" thing before. That means they are treated as racially disloyal. Blacks are Democrats or are expected to be, because they believe sticking together is essential. Dean underlined that by declaring the GOP as having nothing to offer blacks or as the opposition. To say that blacks are Democrats appears to be a fair generalization. The GOP is then "not black", i.e. it is "white".
We fawn over Condi Rice for being smart and pro-gun and yes, not a Democrat, but I am sure she knows she would be unusually abused by Democrats if deciding to become an elected politician. Blacks would have a conflict, because if there was to be a racial breakthrough for the presidency or vice presidency, they would likely want it to be as a Democrat, championing those issues. I wonder if blacks, minorities in general, aren't being given more appointment consideration by the GOP than the Democrats.
Dean may sound outrageous at first, but it is not always so easy to prove him wrong, or it is silly to propose that he is. Some simply don't want him to be correct.
Yesterday he even dinged the press in passing for their desire to control the issues (the questions), ignoring the agenda of the moment. Once again he is just telling it like it is.
I value Dean being frank. I am tired of the nonsense and phony rhetoric from others. He's not a whiner like Reid, who can't even come up with a valid insult, reverting to being "nice".
We fawn over Condi Rice for being smart and pro-gun and yes, not a Democrat, but I am sure she knows she would be unusually abused by Democrats if deciding to become an elected politician. Blacks would have a conflict, because if there was to be a racial breakthrough for the presidency or vice presidency, they would likely want it to be as a Democrat, championing those issues. I wonder if blacks, minorities in general, aren't being given more appointment consideration by the GOP than the Democrats.
Dean may sound outrageous at first, but it is not always so easy to prove him wrong, or it is silly to propose that he is. Some simply don't want him to be correct.
Yesterday he even dinged the press in passing for their desire to control the issues (the questions), ignoring the agenda of the moment. Once again he is just telling it like it is.
I value Dean being frank. I am tired of the nonsense and phony rhetoric from others. He's not a whiner like Reid, who can't even come up with a valid insult, reverting to being "nice".
JB in SC
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Dean is a firebrand, plain and simple, meant to stir the base for contributions. I pay about as much serious attention to him as I do Yoda.
Some of his comments are quite comical, (a lot of republicans) "have never made an honest living in their lives", for instance. I venture to guess the opposite is true.
He can be entertaining, but then so is Al Sharpton.
Some of his comments are quite comical, (a lot of republicans) "have never made an honest living in their lives", for instance. I venture to guess the opposite is true.
He can be entertaining, but then so is Al Sharpton.
I value him for being a complete loon.
His statements are obviously wrong, the republicans are far more tolerant of differing viewpoints than the Democrats, and are much more diverse than given credit for. Remember, it was hispanics that won the election for Bush.
Dean's comments highlight the extreme ideological blindness of the current democratic leadership. It makes independent voters nervous, hearing such extremist partisan rhetoric. It might make the Movon/DU wackjobs happy, but it's not helping them win elections, or raise money.
agricola
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Surely if Hillary did run, then Condi Rice would be the ideal candidate to put against her?
RealGun
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"Obviously wrong" is overstated, Rebar. Perhaps you just don't agree. I don't really care that Dean's frankness is self destructive. It's just refreshing to me, certainly entertaining, but hardly offensive. As a Republican, albeit a secular conservative, I want someone to challenge the religious right and call a spade a spade.
Oh, come now. Remove, neglect, fail to pander to, or substantially weaken any voter segment and either party loses. Many others would like to take credit for election success. Most any could be blamed for failure. It's hard to say, kind of silly without a lot of analysis of credible data that's hard to obtain. Some would say it was voting fraud or tabulation problems that determined the election. The excuse was the Supreme Court and Katharine Harris in 2000. The truth is that the parties are too close to call. A coin toss would work as well. Democrats could have won handily with a more moderate candidate for the independents and undecideds. That is precisely Hillary's threat and the source of her new moderate facade.
Oh, come now. Remove, neglect, fail to pander to, or substantially weaken any voter segment and either party loses. Many others would like to take credit for election success. Most any could be blamed for failure. It's hard to say, kind of silly without a lot of analysis of credible data that's hard to obtain. Some would say it was voting fraud or tabulation problems that determined the election. The excuse was the Supreme Court and Katharine Harris in 2000. The truth is that the parties are too close to call. A coin toss would work as well. Democrats could have won handily with a more moderate candidate for the independents and undecideds. That is precisely Hillary's threat and the source of her new moderate facade.
longeyes
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Isn't that Dean, as in Dean Witter...?
I feel that the party that has the majority in both houses and holds the executive, cannot possibly be as monolithic as Dean portays. Common sense says that. It's a fact that minorities in record numbers are finally realising that the Democrats offer only lip service to their needs, while the republicans offer an actual plan for all Americans.
While the liberal/left wants everyone to believe that the republicans are the party of mean old white bible-thumping men, that stereotype just is plain rediculous. If you buy into their propaganda, if you believe that "republicans never held an honest job", that "republicans are evil", and all that other nonsense Dean has been spewing is "refreshing", then I'm sorry for you.
RealGun
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I said his frankness was "refreshing". If you need to make another point, do it without me.
JB in SC
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longeyes,
Perhaps Dim Witter?
Regards,
JB
Perhaps Dim Witter?
Regards,
JB
RealGun
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Update on Dean
Commenting to reporters at a DNC executive committee meeting re Howard Dean's recent public statements about the Republicans:
Apparently there was no call for or even talk of replacing Dean. The Dems will then have to settle for implied endorsement of his comments.
There is an article of possible interest re the DNC meeting at:
DNC executive committee meeting
It reports that Dean's comments during his address were quite moderate but unapologetic. Aside from being unacceptable to me politically as a UN socialist, I think his stir-the-pot function is very useful.
Commenting to reporters at a DNC executive committee meeting re Howard Dean's recent public statements about the Republicans:
Apparently there was no call for or even talk of replacing Dean. The Dems will then have to settle for implied endorsement of his comments.
There is an article of possible interest re the DNC meeting at:
DNC executive committee meeting
It reports that Dean's comments during his address were quite moderate but unapologetic. Aside from being unacceptable to me politically as a UN socialist, I think his stir-the-pot function is very useful.
pauli
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right now, the most interesting prospect for 2008, that i've seen, is mark warner.
i'd be tickled pink if he ended up running against george allen... and depending on the vp, i might even vote for the Democrats
i'd be tickled pink if he ended up running against george allen... and depending on the vp, i might even vote for the Democrats
Waitone
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Democrats will let Dean run off at the mouth until their polling shows damage. They will then shut him up. For now, Dean's job is to raise visible money from Democrat carnivors. The fact that he is failing compared to past chairmen is irrelevant since Democrats have shifted their primary funding from visible money to 527's, courtesy of Campaign Finance Control.
Dean is doing just exactly what he is told and paid to do.
Dean is doing just exactly what he is told and paid to do.
Sean Smith
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I think Dean exists to make Hillary look more moderate when she runs, and to keep the nuttier Democrats enthused. That's all.
Funny thing was, in Vermont Dean actually was a moderate, whereas Kerry was a hardcore leftist with a 100% anti-RKBA voting record, yet Dean came out of it being the radical fruit loop and Kerry the (supposed) moderate.
Of cousre, now Dean acts insane all the time.
Funny thing was, in Vermont Dean actually was a moderate, whereas Kerry was a hardcore leftist with a 100% anti-RKBA voting record, yet Dean came out of it being the radical fruit loop and Kerry the (supposed) moderate.
Of cousre, now Dean acts insane all the time.
RealGun
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Better look at the whole package. It takes a lot more than passing some pro gun measures in VA. It might be useful as a hedge against Hillary, but it doesn't suddenly make the Democrat caucus pro-gun or just like Warner.
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