McCain is definitely running in 2008

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Why cant these people just let me collect revolvers, 22s, and milsurps in peace? I swear EVERY TIME an election of any kind rolls around I find myself in need of buying scary black weapons while i still can. I just wish we could rest just for a little while without some kind of insanely anti-freedom politition rising to authority.

I cant WAIT for a McCain vs Hillary race. Normally I stay up all night biting my nails at election time. With THAT race, i will go to bed early confident in the fact that we already lost. I could really care less who won that election.
 
Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, unapologetic in the face of recent criticism that he has been too tough on his political opposition, said in San Francisco this week that Republicans are "a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."
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You have to know that the Dems were appointing a pit bull. It is Dean's job to speak frankly. His problem is credibility. However, the burden is on others to prove him wrong, given his high profile. The above statement is not so easy to dismiss when examining the GOP party leadership. It is politically incorrect because it is bigoted. However, it may be essentially correct. This is also exactly how many think, speak, and write. Many will then identify with Dean.
 
Democratic National Committee chairman Howard Dean, unapologetic in the face of recent criticism that he has been too tough on his political opposition, said in San Francisco this week that Republicans are "a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."
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You have to know that the Dems were appointing a pit bull. It is Dean's job to speak frankly. His problem is credibility. However, the burden is on others to prove him wrong, given his high profile.
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Nonsense, the burden of proof is on him and not Republicans to prove they are not who he says they are. You just finish saying that his credibility is damaged only to conclude that it's Republicans that must prove him wrong? What kind of twisted logic is that?

If the Democrats want a showboater, that's fine. But they should realize that putting someone as bigotted and hateful as Dean in such a position of prominence is only going to hurt their cause. Any intellegent discourse on the issues is precluded by hatred like that.
The above statement is not so easy to dismiss when examining the GOP party leadership. It is politically incorrect because it is bigoted. However, it may be essentially correct. This is also exactly how many think, speak, and write. Many will then identify with Dean.
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That may be how most of them think, but that doesn't make them right. Most Republicans are not the people Dean makes them out to be. This kind of speech makes it really obvious who the real bigots are and that they cannot stand having to debate positions that are not in lock step with their own. The Democrat Party leadership have become nothing more than slanderous, whining children with statements like these. The party is loosing what rational people they still have left as they realize that they have not moved left or right politically, but the party has left them behind in their hate-fueled headlong rush into leftist oblivion.
 
Nonsense, the burden of proof is on him and not Republicans to prove they are not who he says they are. You just finish saying that his credibility is damaged only to conclude that it's Republicans that must prove him wrong? What kind of twisted logic is that? - lunaslide
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You have protested a lack of political correctness but have not shown Dean to be wrong. You have to twist logic to evade the challenge.
 
Where is the charismatic GOP candidate for '08? Anyone? I mean non-RINOs. I mean someone who has some real and clear idea of traditional Republican principles.

McCain versus Hillary? Will this be remembered as the End of Days Election? Either one would be a major setback for individual freedom in this nation.

We keep hearing about how the Dems are "collapsing," succumbing to the maniacs on the extreme Left. Well, the Republicans are collapsing too, succumbing to invisibility and dullness and compromised souls.

From what I can see the Bushes have been killing off any energetic successors to W., cozying up instead, to the amazement of many, to the Clintons. I guess the "old man" figures Jeb's not ready yet? Or is it George P. who isn't ready yet?
 
I am placing all of my hopes on Condi Rice.

If she doesn't run, then I can't think of anyone I would vote FOR.

Semper Fidelis,

Kent
 
Nonsense, the burden of proof is on him and not Republicans to prove they are not who he says they are. You just finish saying that his credibility is damaged only to conclude that it's Republicans that must prove him wrong? What kind of twisted logic is that? - lunaslide
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You have protested a lack of political correctness but have not shown Dean to be wrong. You have to twist logic to evade the challenge.
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Again, nonsense. How does one prove a negative, that they are not how he characterizes them? Can you honestly not see how a statement like "Republicans haven't made an honest living in their lives" is absurd on it's face?

Your logic is the "How long have you been beating your wife?" variety. To grossly generalize about roughly 2/5 the population of the United States is itself an absurdity. It's not political correctness I seek, it's intellectual honesty.

Here is another quote from that same speech:
"And the young lady piped up and said, now, Governor, just a second, I'm an Evangelical Christian. and we don't think there ought to be separation of church and state. We think this is a Christian Nation. And you could have heard a pin drop.....And after dinner i was thanking everybody for coming and contributing and everything. and i went up to her and said how is it that you managed to support me as an Evangelical Christian? There's some things you can't possibly agree with me on, such as Civil Rights for all Americans and a woman's right to make up her own mind about what kind of health care she has."

As a Christian you cannot support Civil Rights for all Americans? I'm not even a Christian and can see the absurdity of this. Oh right, by "Civil Rights for all Americans" he means "Marriage for homosexuals". And by "health care" he means "abortion". But he's not intellectually honest enough to say these things, he has to use euphamisms to bolster his position instead of arguing the validity of them. For what it's worth, I'm not against reasonable abortion (ie. not in the 3rd trimester) and I am against government being involved with marriage AT ALL. But at least I'll argue those issues on the merits.

But here is the telling part, right here:
...how is it that you managed to support me as an Evangelical Christian? There's some things you can't possibly agree with me on...

Translation, if you don't agree with everything I'm saying, you're not one of us.

People like Dean, Kerry and Edwards keep accusing Bush and the GOP of polorizing the country, yet this is exactly the kind of blather that does it and it's not coming from Bush or the GOP. The Democrats aren't winning votes on the issues, so they have turned to invective and slander.
 
If your notion of RINO is more the rule than the exception, then who is a real Republican?
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Well, that's the problem, isn't it? I think the recent Gang of Seven proved that the Republican label means nothing. The issue is always what principles you hold, not what party affiliation you profess. The "GOP majority" in the Senate may be illusory--how many of the 100 in the Senate are non-statists, are upholders of our basic Constitutional freedoms? Isn't that a more realistic way of looking at things?

Bush is allegedly a "Republican," but as many have observed the bulk of his policies stamp him as a liberal. Actions, not words, are what count.
 
We don't need to be in a pissing contest, lunaslide. I think Dean is a flake fond of overstating his case but close to many people's true sentiments. But the question is whether Dean's statement is effectively true, as embodied by Congress and the administration.

"a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."
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lunaslide is entirely correct about Dean. In fact, you now have prominent Democrats disavowing Dean's statements. And his rediculous slanders have had a major impact on democratic fundraising, it's down by half or more.

I stand by my statement that Dean is the best DNC chair the republicans could have hoped for. He's driving the party right over the loony left cliff, while yelling the "Dean Scream".

McCain versus Hillary? Will this be remembered as the End of Days Election?
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McCain will never win the republican primary, there is no chance. The real danger is if he gets pissy and runs as an independent, drawing enough votes to let Hillary win. McCain will never be president, ever.
 
But the question is whether Dean's statement is effectively true, as embodied by Congress and the administration.

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"a pretty monolithic party. They all behave the same. They all look the same. It's pretty much a white Christian party."
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Using the standard you put forth (as embodied by Congress and the administration), the same statement is true of the Democrat party.
 
The thing with Rice is she has made statement that I take as being against the minutemen. That would have to change. Also i'd have to know she wouldn't marce to the tune of Jesse Carpet Bagger Jackson. Don't bet on that one. I'd rather see Ron Paul or who is the guy in Co. who went to tombstone and told the minutemen they are heros. Rice to me at the least would be another GWB To me GWB has sold out all the gun owners and taken away more of are freedoms then any president in the last 50 years. Oh yes I voted for him twice. Only time I haven't voted for a Republican President was when George Wallace ran if anyone thinks i'm liberal. The only good one to run in the last 50 years outside of George was in 64 old AU H2O.
 
bjbarron, sumpnz- 22nd Amendment (I'm a little off topic)

I think you guys are reading the Amendment wrong. It only says that the elected individual can be elected to the office of President only twice, not that he can't serve as President after being elected as VP.

There's a distinction in my mind between being "elected" and "serving". The amendment does limit a person to being elected only once, if they had served more than 2 years of a term that they were not elected to, though.

I'd hope that a Clinton/Clinton would be rejected by voters regardless, due to nepotism concerns. It also would seem to not be a ticket that draws from different geographical/political spectrums.
 
Unless I miss my guess what we are seeing shaping up for the 2008 election is the final example of just what has happened to this country. You can have extreme leftist, or leftist lite. While conservatism may be alive and well across America it's dead in DC, which is why someone like McVain might get the nomination. Repub leadership simply won't offer any other options, or those other options will self destruct along the way...

I look back on the Bush Senior and Dole campaigns and I swear I have to wonder if there is not simply, at the highest levels, one party and the next figurehead is picked years in advance. Any drunken monkey or DU regular could have put together better campaigns than Bush I or Dole managed, and with that kind of money and experience I can't come up with any reasonable explanation for the ineptitude that literally defined those presidential bids.

I have a feeling we're in for the same thing this time around. Uninspiring candidate, crappy campaign, mistakes so obvious a ten year old could see them coming and, voila, another Clinton in office...
 
Unixguy - I can't remember where I believe that there are rules (in the constitution or elsewhere) that specify that in order to be elected VP you must be eligable to also be elected POTUS. IOW, anything that would disqualify you from being POTUS would also bar you from becoming VP (e.g. foreign born, under 35, felon, filled term limits, etc).
 
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, since the subject of Hillary running for POTUS was brought up.

America is not dumb enough to elect that Hillary creature.
 
Using the standard you put forth (as embodied by Congress and the administration), the same statement is true of the Democrat party. - Bartholomew Roberts
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That's pretty controversial, hardly obvious. Care to expand on it? My biggest issue is that I know blacks as favoring the Democrat Party, which points out that Dean was pandering to blacks, finding a need for a racial reference.
 
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