Most Underrated Pistol

[Jeb Stuart]

The original LCP trigger is awful. Long, heavy and doesn’t break until my trigger finger is practically wrapped around the grip.

The LCP II trigger is 1000 times better .

Stay safe.

But the LCP Gen 2 was IMO the perfect trigger. Very smooth DAO, at about 6lbs. Very much Like he Kahr. The LCP ll trigger is the one that is awful. First stage feels like the trigger spring is broke and then just a tad of takeup and then a Bank. A whole lot of folks have debated for years that is too dangerous. I personally would not own one.

 

[tercel89]

Ill go slightly old school and say the entire line up of Ruger P90 series.

They were rock solid and cheap, but rarely ever mentioned then or now.

You hear them mentioned as beater guns, or maybe truck guns, but you almost never find an owner of one with a complaint about them.

AMEN

 

[armedwalleye]

The P Series Rugers. They were like the chubby girl in high school. Nobody wanted to be seen with her, but they were a lot of fun!!

The third gen S&W's are NOT under-rated. Don't let anybody tell you differently. They're over-rated, overpriced, clunky, unwieldy, unreliable DA/SA pistols that no one should want. I run a group home for such wayward pistols, and the secondary market does NOT need your support boosting prices......

 

[druryj]

My vote goes for the Walther PPS-M2

Absolutely. Ergonomics, quality, price, overall shootability,...it's darn hard to beat the PPS M2. I have others well suited to carry, ranging from a G43X to a Sig M11 A1, a S&W 340PD...but the best all around carry gun I have or have had is my Walther PPS M2. It points and shoots very well. It's totally reliable and with the 7 round mag, (7+1) and either the 6 or 8 rounder in reserve, I feel well armed in most situations. I carry Speer Gold Dots in the 124+p flavor in it.

 

[Riomouse911]

But the LCP Gen 2 was IMO the perfect trigger. Very smooth DAO, at about 6lbs. Very much Like he Kahr. The LCP ll trigger is the one that is awful. First stage feels like the trigger spring is broke and then just a tad of takeup and then a Bank. A whole lot of folks have debated for years that is too dangerous. I personally would not own one.

Hmmm. Never had an issue here. I find it smooth and easy to use...but that’s merely my observation and it’s not worth anything more than anyone else’s to the contrary .

I’m wondering if the ones posting that they are unhappy with the LCP II trigger have the same issues with other trigger-shoe-safety style guns that don’t have a “stacking pull” like almost all of my other hammer guns do. (Even with the hammer the “2” trigger feels much more like a striker fired gun.) I also wonder if these observations were done side-by-side with the originals, where the improvement (my term) can be felt first hand.

Compared to the original LCP, one of which I’ve owned since they came out and I’ll freely state the trigger really does stink (as does the sighting arrangement), IMHO the “2” trigger is night and day and an improvement.

I like them, but to each his own .

Stay safe.

 

[Tallball]

"Taurus Millennium 9MM by far..."

If you mean this one, I agree. It cost me barely more than $200 and it shoots great.

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[TN Outlaw]

Absolutely. Ergonomics, quality, price, overall shootability,...it's darn hard to beat the PPS M2. I have others well suited to carry, ranging from a G43X to a Sig M11 A1, a S&W 340PD...but the best all around carry gun I have or have had is my Walther PPS M2. It points and shoots very well. It's totally reliable and with the 7 round mag, (7+1) and either the 6 or 8 rounder in reserve, I feel well armed in most situations. I carry Speer Gold Dots in the 124+p flavor in it.

I've never owned a Walther, but I've got buddies that do. I've shot several of their pistols and they all have felt really good, to me.(although I do prefer the normal mag release versions) I never have held the PPS M2 though and I haven't seen many either. I'd say they probably are underrated.

When I was downsizing my carry gun size what comments I seen were positive feedback for the PPS M2. Good price too. I went with the Glock 43 because I KNEW I shoot them well after shooting two different ones.

I still want to feel one of the PPS M2's and run one through it's paces. I bet they are a solid and reliable gun.

 

[94045]

I’m totally serious.

I think the most underrated handgun of all time is the Glock 19. Some might think it’s overrated. In my mind it’s the best overall handgun. Its where capability, capacity, durability, shootability, carryability, and cost meet.

The Gen 3 was decent. The Gen 4 doesn't fit my hand, my fingers end up on the points of the finger grooves (Have to grind to fit me). The G17-4 fits my hand.

I shoot the M&P M2.0 .40 Compact 4" faster and more accurately than the G19-3 much less the G23-3. I haven't shot a G19-5 so can't comment.

In my experience the G19 is not under-rated as it's generally considered the finest midsize Combat Handgun on the planet. Being considered the best is not under-rated.

For me.personally it's over-rated but that's a personal thing not generally.

 

[94045]

Hmmm. Never had an issue here. I find it smooth and easy to use...but that’s merely my observation and it’s not worth anything more than anyone else’s to the contrary .

I’m wondering if the ones posting that they are unhappy with the LCP II trigger have the same issues with other trigger-shoe-safety style guns that don’t have a “stacking pull” like almost all of my other hammer guns do. (Even with the hammer the “2” trigger feels much more like a striker fired gun.) I also wonder if these observations were done side-by-side with the originals, where the improvement (my term) can be felt first hand.

Compared to the original LCP, one of which I’ve owned since they came out and I’ll freely state the trigger really does stink (as does the sighting arrangement), IMHO the “2” trigger is night and day and an improvement.

I like them, but to each his own .

Stay safe.

My LCP G2 has a sub-6 lb trigger after 500 rounds (Where usually 6.25-7.5 lb new) and it's a lighter shorter pull and breaks farther forward than the G1. The LCP II on the other hand has a 2-Stage Trigger and varies widely from 4-9 lb. I'm not.sure why we see the huge variation in LCP II pulls

I like the G2 pull over the LCP II on a carry gun but then I liked the DAO trigger on the SW9VE for defensive use so what do I know.

 

[Riomouse911]

Nuthin wrong at all . We all have our preferences for trigger pulls on these tiny guns, and some guns feel better than others. I haven’t shot a G2 LCP so all I can compare are the pulls found on the first model (ugh) to the “2” model (nice).

As far as lousy triggers go, my AMT backup is, by far, the worst when it comes to trigger pull... even the original LCP trigger is better.

Stay safe.

My LCP G2 has a sub-6 lb trigger after 500 rounds (Where usually 6.25-7.5 lb new) and it's a lighter shorter pull and breaks farther forward than the G1. The LCP II on the other hand has a 2-Stage Trigger and varies widely from 4-9 lb. I'm not.sure why we see the huge variation in LCP II pulls

I like the G2 pull over the LCP II on a carry gun but then I liked the DAO trigger on the SW9VE for defensive use so what do I know.

 

[Bartojc]

My first 9mm was a Ruger SR9c. It does not get mentioned much when people are looking for recommendations for that type of pistol. I guess now they are discontinued . I've thought about trading it or selling, but every time I do I stop myself. Maybe because it was the one that started all the madness of reloading, maybe because I still shoot it the best, maybe because it is just that good. I don't know but I find it mostly under rated. I cannot find a real fault with it which is why it still sits in the night stand.

-Jeff

 

[crcr29683]

In the under appreciated category, Beretta 84.

 

[Jeb Stuart]

That original LCP trigger was awful... I bought the LCP II and it is night and day!

Stay safe.

FYI, there are three models of the LCP. The Original model, then the Gen 2 (not LCPll) and the LCP ll. The Gen 2 IMO was and is the best of the triggers. I am no longer a fan of Rugers, but still Have A Gen 2. The trigger is a smooth DAO, similar to the Popular Kahr trigger. Personally would not own the LCPll trigger for various reasons.
So IMO the Gen 2 is the one I would choose as the most Underated of the group.

I would also choose the Kel-tec P32, especially since the New Underwood ammo has changed the ballistics of that caliber. And at only 6 1/2 ounces, about as light weight and easy shooting as you can get.

 

[Riomouse911]

Yeah, those Kel Tec 32’s are a sleeper for ultra compacts for sure, and the ammo is worlds better than the 71 gr fmj and Win Silvertips from the days of old. The Seecamp was another one, but it was just something in magazines, I never saw one in a local store.

I used to have a Beretta Jetfire .25 that was my UC gun, but after helping a local Marshal make an arrest on a parolee in a stolen car while carrying it in 1993, I upgraded to a more practical piece (2.5” M19). Had that Kel Tec .32 been around back then I’m sure that would have been in my pocket instead.

Like I said earlier, the gen 2 LCP is one I have no experience with. It sounds like they fixed the trigger issue, but the II model has a completely new system. I will say the ergonomics and sights of the II are better than the earlier ones, but I still had to paint the front blaze orange to get it to stand out better.

Stay safe!

 

[Elkins45]

Under appreciated:

CZ P-07
Beretta PX4
Ruger P series

 

[nettlle]

Try one of these and see what you think:

 

[I6turbo]

Browning Medalist. Even with a stellar reputation, it's still underrated.

 

[Snowdog]

I agree that the S&W SD series pistols are a great bang-for-the-buck. Mine is the 11995, gray frame / black Armornite slide. It's an wonderfully reliable handgun.

This year I discovered SAR (Sarsilmaz) and ended up with two SAR9s purchased cheap. A VP9 frame and G17 slide is essentially what it boils down to. It's an excellent 17-round striker-fired 9mm that's accurate, reliable and wonderfully ergonomic.

Unfortunately, it does have a manual safety which I don't like on striker fired pistols, though rumor has it there's a fix in the works that will replace the safety with a pin.

It's a real sleeper for $270 NIB.

 

[TEAM101]

One thing I have learned about the last 10 years of gun sales. The Most Popular means nothing. What makes a gun so popular is Advertising. I have seen gun I consider junk become one of the most popular sold. And the vast majority of people voting and making those sales, hardly make it to the range more than a few times of the year.

The HS2000 to Springfield XD is a prime example of this theory. Roll a familiar name onto the slide, jack the price up, market it, and consumers will bite.

 

[pokute]

No discussion of underrated handguns is complete until it has completely derailed over the AMT 45 Backup. Without going into excruciating detail describing when and why they are/not reliable, I have 3 of them, and a spare 9mm upper for one, and I've got them each to fire 300 rounds as fast as I could load and pull the trigger (alternating hands when the pain becomes unendurable) with 1 or NO FTF. It takes a week or so for the skin to grow back in the webs of my hands. I practice with them weekly, and can hit 12" metal plates 2 out of 5 times at 50 yards.

 

[rskent]

No discussion of underrated handguns is complete until it has completely derailed over the AMT 45 Backup. Without going into excruciating detail describing when and why they are/not reliable, I have 3 of them, and a spare 9mm upper for one, and I've got them each to fire 300 rounds as fast as I could load and pull the trigger (alternating hands when the pain becomes unendurable) with 1 or NO FTF. It takes a week or so for the skin to grow back in the webs of my hands. I practice with them weekly, and can hit 12" metal plates 2 out of 5 times at 50 yards.

I highly commend your dedication to a much unloved breed. I also commend your mechanical prowess. Not only did you get one of those things to run, you got three of them to run, mostly. Do you use special ammunition or just factory ammunition sprinkled with fairy dust? Oh Hell, who needs skin on there hands anyway?

 

[rskent]

The P Series Rugers. They were like the chubby girl in high school. Nobody wanted to be seen with her, but they were a lot of fun!!

As I remember they both were clumsy and dull.

The third gen S&W's are NOT under-rated. Don't let anybody tell you differently. They're over-rated, overpriced, clunky, unwieldy, unreliable DA/SA pistols that no one should want. I run a group home for such wayward pistols, and the secondary market does NOT need your support boosting prices......

While certainly not underrated now, likely overrated. I believe their biggest drawback back in the day was lack of aftermarket support. I looked for a set of grips that didn’t suck for mine forever before I gave up and dumped it. Today I could get grips for it.