New Ruger Pistol Caliber Carbine?

[Spug]

I'm excited by this. I've got a Beretta CX4 that I didn't care for the looks for at all, but fell in love with when I picked it up and shouldered it. Trigger sucks though. This Ruger is almost 5" longer, but if they come out with a magwell adaptor for the Beretta 92 mags I'm in. I'm in one of those sorry places where any magazine over 10 rounds has to be "preban". I've been wanting a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45 forever but if Ruger puts this out in that caliber it should scratch that itch pretty well and I'll be in for that one too. Ruger is really on a roll laterly!

 

[CraigC]

It always amazes me that gun owners, as a group, complain that there isn't anything new and exciting, but when a gun manufacturer makes something new, there is a whole brigade of gun owners who just can't wait to criticize the hell out of it.

Some people obviously just like to be critics. Ruger has no debt and operates on cash and has turned a profit every year of its existence. Yet we continually hear from armchair quarterbacks about how everything they do is stupid. I wonder how many successful billion dollar corporations these critics have built?

Just read the weight is 6.8 lbs... unloaded.

That's a lot more than other pistol caliber carbines. It also looks very much like a Hi-Point and is somehow much uglier than the old PC9. So far not too impressed, not with that weight.

I don't know what carbines you're referring to but my CZ is not lighter than that.

As for the Ruger, what kind of riser is one going to have to use to get over the obnoxiously large looking rear peep sight? Surprised they used such a setup. The vast majority of users will want to put a red dot optic or scope on the gun, that huge rear sight assembly is going to just be in the way.

This complaint seems to be reaching.

Also, since they neglected to place the magazine in the grip, the gun is going to be a good 6" longer than it needs to be. I think they should have just went to Glock magazines for the entire line and forgot about the obligatory magwell inserts. So much unnecessary length, they just made the gun a lot less viable for home defense. Being able to have the magazine in the grip and hence a far shorter receiver are one of the few benefits of pistol caliber carbines over ARs, but Ruger decided to crap all over that idea.

The bolt has to be somewhere. The magwell in the grip precludes a traditional rifle configuration and 'some' people don't care for it anyway.

MSRP of $650 ; I can buy the Ruger AR5.56 for $460 or a Colt for $650 that is the same overall length and near 1/2 lb lighter. I like the Ruger company and have many of their firearms. But I can't think of a single reason to buy this one at this price. Now if street prices are in the $350-$400 range like the Ruger American bolt guns I'll buy one.

Economy of scale. No centerfire semi-auto will be as cheap to manufacture as the AR. Why would a new semi-auto be as cheap as a cheap bolt gun? You're okay with $400 but not $475???

6 pages of comments so far without any idea when the gun will finally reach the market in sufficient quantities for the masses. Given Rugers history of hype long before production release it may well be 2019 before enough of them reach the market for evaluation of how successful the design of the gun is.

Those days are long gone. The new half lug .44Spl GP was announced and they were already in stock at Lipsey's. I guess they will never live down the Gold Label debacle.

 

[Gtscotty]

6 pages of comments so far without any idea when the gun will finally reach the market in sufficient quantities for the masses. Given Rugers history of hype long before production release it may well be 2019 before enough of them reach the market for evaluation of how successful the design of the gun is.

Are you kidding? Ruger's MO is to not announce products until they are practically on the shelf. That is how they have rolled out all of their product introductions in recent memory, they are the gold standard in that regard (kind of the anti-Keltec).

 

[hq]

when a gun manufacturer makes something new, there is a whole brigade of gun owners who just can't wait to criticize the hell out of it.

That's nothing compared to the amount of whining and complaining when a model is discontinued because no-one actually bought it.

 

[Ramone]

I'm already a fan, without having touched one.

Ruger is pretty solid, QC/CS wise.

9mm is the cheapest, commonest ammo after .22LR. It makes an excellent choice for plinking and teaching new shooters, as well as a capable defensive caliber.

GLOCK mags are readily available.

Out of a 16" barrel, 9mm muzzle flash/retort approaches .22LR levels. With subsonic loads, I think it's actually lower. In low light, confined spaces ( as in most home defense scenarios ) this becomes a very strong mark in the plus column.

I tend to consider a PCC as a scaled up pistol, rather than a scale down rifle. It's longer sight radius an barrel, and longer overall length make it superior for snap shooting and promote muzzle direction awareness.

Way back once upon a time, when 'carbine' meant an M1, I was told that the carbine was issued so cherry LTs wouldn't shot themselves in the foot or their troops in the back.

This combined with more manageable recoil makes it a better choice for those with less training in a home defense situation. If I have to go downstairs to investigate a bump in the night, I'm a bit more suguine about my GF behind me with a carbine than I would be if she was armed with a handgun.

This seems to be a legal firearm in not only California, but New York.

All of the above makes my SUB2000 my go-to truck/travel/HD weapon. This design, being take down as opposed to folding, means it's even more packable.

 

[chicharrones]

I'm excited by this. I've got a Beretta CX4 that I didn't care for the looks for at all, but fell in love with when I picked it up and shouldered it. Trigger sucks though.

That's what I've heard. Over 10 lbs.?

 

[chicharrones]

That's nothing compared to the amount of whining and complaining when a model is discontinued because no-one actually bought it.

Classic! I'm guilty of that myself.

 

[db_tanker]

It always amazes me that gun owners, as a group, complain that there isn't anything new and exciting, but when a gun manufacturer makes something new, there is a whole brigade of gun owners who just can't wait to criticize the hell out of it.

I guess that's just the way it is.

I have noticed that. Same way with other brand loyalty...Dodge is better than that stove-bolt over there...or my Ford will outlast any dang japanese truck. I think its hilarious. to watch.

For this...I was also wondering...sure they have glock and ruger mag well adapters...will they eventually make an adapter for beretta M9 mags?

Something else very interesting...made me think about it when someone earlier mentioning a chambering in 357 sig...looking at how the take down portions are it appears that the barrel section comes out bringing the entire chamber...are they going to go the AR style way and make as may components interchangeable? IF this is the case, then all you would need is a 40 caliber receiver, 9mm front end and a quick trip to the gunsmith that has a 357 sig reamer...OR you could do something else like a 400 cor-bon...I am sure there are other combo's out there...what would be really interesting is if they do manage to eventually turn out a 357 mag you could conceivably make a carbine chambered in 256 WinMag...could be a neat little rifle if they do it right.

 

[hq]

For this...I was also wondering...sure they have glock and ruger mag well adapters...will they eventually make an adapter for beretta M9 mags?

Call me optimistic, but with the level of modularity incorporated in the basic desing, ie. quick change magwell and barrel, I wouldn't be surprised if Ruger had already consciously aimed at creating third-party aftermarket around it. Using the receiver and the stock as a basis a magwell/barrel/bolt(head?) swap to change the configuration, mag compatibility or even caliber on the fly is perfectly possible. Will this be the definitive pistol caliber AR substitute for AWB states in the long run, remains to be seen.

 

[CraigC]

I'd like to see .45ACP and 10mm.

 

[Elkins45]

I will definitely be buying one. This seems like the best possible use of Glock magazines. I have a 9mm AR that takes Glock mags and I hate it.

Yes it’s ugly. So is the AR-15 and yet somehow people have learned to love it.

 

[Jason_W]

A question to those calling the gun ugly?

What are you looking for out of a utilitarian lead flinger? Hand crafted grade A walnut?

Also, what competitively priced modern firearm is an art piece? Are you hanging your ARs over the mantle and admiring how the light doesn’t play off the matte plastic stock?

If we pool the collective requirements for a new long gun to the market, it should: cost less than $300, weigh less than air itself, have a fine stock that will bring tears to the eyes of master wood workers, be available in every cartridge, and what else? Maybe shoot lasers? Cure cancer? Drive your kids to school?

 

[Spug]

That's what I've heard. Over 10 lbs.?

I don't have a gauge so I have no idea. I'm not a trigger snob, the CX4 just has a mushy, plastic feel to it. It's serviceable but I know I'd enjoy it more if it was crisper. Nowhere near as bad as my Hi-Point in .45, that thing has a trigger that is like a wedge boring into the pad of my finger. I still like the hipoint for what it is, but Ruger will mop the floor with them if they develop this line further. btw thanks for answering my question.

 

[Spug]

I didn't mean to disparage the CX4, by the way. It doesn't feel like a cheap piece of plastic and potmetal; quite the opposite. Anyone who hasn't held one and likes pistol caliber carbines should pick one up before writing it off. Mine isn't going anywhere, but it could be improved and I'm happy to see a competitor. I'm very interested in how the "dead blow" action improves the shooting dynamics.

 

[kBob]

So how long before someone hogs out a cheap cast off 10/22 stock and drops the receiver and barrel of this in it? And how long after that before someone does the same to some side folding pistol gripped thingy?

-kBob

 

[Walkalong]

Have y’all seen the mectechs?

I had one in .45 ACP and really enjoyed it for some time. Then I got bored with it and gave it to a friend who liked it. I miss it occasionally.

Hard to beat a 9MM carbine for fun and relatively cheap shooting.

 

[chicharrones]

So how long before someone hogs out a cheap cast off 10/22 stock and drops the receiver and barrel of this in it? And how long after that before someone does the same to some side folding pistol gripped thingy?

-kBob

About a month after they hit the market.

But that mag well may make it never happen.

 

[Browning]

In mixed company, it seems the $649.00 MSRP of this new Ruger takedown PCC is not out of line.

CZ Skorpion $999.00
Beretta CX4 Storm $800.00
KelTec Sub 2000 $500.00 - $574.00
Hi Point $340.00-$370.00

Yeah, but that's just MSRP on those. I paid far less than that for my CZ Scorpion Evo pistol. (Lower $800-something and that was with tax)

Two different buddies also paid far less for the Beretta and the Kel-Tec too.

So I'm hopeful that the Ruger will be quite a bit less once the price stabilizes after the excitement dies down a bit.

With every gun out there there's the MSRP and then there's the actual street price.

Except the CZ, I'd like to have the CZ.

I REALLY like mine.

The one thing that the Evo pistol doesn't have are mags that are compatible with the defensive pistols that I carry the most though.

I'm also hesitant to throw the Scorpion in the truck since with the brace, the light and rail covers it cost a grand.

If the street price on the Ruger is $500-something and takes Glock mags that's completely doable for a truck carbine.

I just bought a used AR for that reason too. Oh well, what's one more extra gun?

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

A question to those calling the gun ugly?

What are you looking for out of a utilitarian lead flinger? Hand crafted grade A walnut?

Also, what competitively priced modern firearm is an art piece? Are you hanging your ARs over the mantle and admiring how the light doesn’t play off the matte plastic stock?

If we pool the collective requirements for a new long gun to the market, it should: cost less than $300, weigh less than air itself, have a fine stock that will bring tears to the eyes of master wood workers, be available in every cartridge, and what else? Maybe shoot lasers? Cure cancer? Drive your kids to school?

Though Im not a big polymer gun fan, I'm saying this thing is ugly due to the styling (or lack thereof) more than the materials or finish. Two many divergent lines and swoops for my taste.
Sure, this has no effect on its effectiveness, but why can't it be beautiful AND functional? Cost shouldn't be a factor in a polymer gun, it costs just as much to mold ugly plastic shapes as elegant ones.
I don't think anybody accuses the Beretta of being hideous or the HiPoint of being good looking- both work just fine.
But, as another member said (lol), life is too short to shoot ugly guns.

 

[Jason_W]

Though Im not a big polymer gun fan, I'm saying this thing is ugly due to the styling (or lack thereof) more than the materials or finish. Two many divergent lines and swoops for my taste.
Sure, this has no effect on its effectiveness, but why can't it be beautiful AND functional? Cost shouldn't be a factor in a polymer gun, it costs just as much to mold ugly plastic shapes as elegant ones.
I don't think anybody accuses the Beretta of being hideous or the HiPoint of being good looking- both work just fine.
But, as another member said (lol), life is too short to shoot ugly guns.

I would think that what really matters is how it feels when you bring it to your shoulder.

 

[Garandimal]

.40/357SIG convertible and I'm in.




GR

 

[Sistema1927]

I am guessing that Boyds will come out with a wood stock and Magpul will make one that is more "tacti-cool" for this carbine. Also, possibly 3rd parties will make adapters for other magazines.

 

[SamT1]

I had one in .45 ACP and really enjoyed it for some time. Then I got bored with it and gave it to a friend who liked it. I miss it occasionally.

Hard to beat a 9MM carbine for fun and relatively cheap shooting.

I’ve thought about selling mine several times because it’s just not that useful in the grand scheme of things. Every time I go shoot it first and decide to keep it. It’s real good to put in the safe for 8 months and then have a blast with and put it back. It does make me wish I lived in brush country though.

 

[kBob]

SO looking at the photos and linked reviews......someone should make a snap on cover for that nose end set of teeth that would allow one to cover them AND have the cover sort of blend in to the nose of the stock or maybe a snabel end.

Unless that barrel is going someplace with the front sight while it is attached to the receiver I see no reason something like a Tech Site rear shouldn't be available soon.

I wonder if the butt stock is hollow so the survivonauts can stuff them full of fire starters, energy tabs and fishing gear?

-kBob

 

[chicharrones]

SO looking at the photos and linked reviews......someone should make a snap on cover for that nose end set of teeth that would allow one to cover them AND have the cover sort of blend in to the nose of the stock or maybe a snabel end.

I was thinking the same thing.

Unless that barrel is going someplace with the front sight while it is attached to the receiver I see no reason something like a Tech Site rear shouldn't be available soon.

Another reason for a non-takedown model.

I wonder if the butt stock is hollow so the survivonauts can stuff them full of fire starters, energy tabs and fishing gear?

-kBob

Just going to need an allen wrench to pull those long allen screws that bridge the gap between no stock spacer to 3 stock spacers. Although, I could see modifying something to work. Hmmmm.