New Ruger Pistol Caliber Carbine?
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Wonder if a 33 round Glock 9mm mag would fit in there along with fires starters, energy tabs, and fishing gear.
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I wonder if that hollow stock is where they’re keeping their tungsten dead blow mechanism?
Madcap_Magician
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Mostly right, but there's some modified blowback and a few DGI systems.
Yep,
Like the 9mm SP101. When they stopped making them the prices for used ones skyrocket to over $900.00
Oh this is hilarious: now that the new PC Carbine is coming out, prices for the old PC9 have dropped through the floor: a PC9 selling for $450 in California
The reason I find this so funny is because just a few months ago, there was a PC9 for sale on that same forum for "$900 FIRM NO LOW BALLERS" and it did get sold.
The reason I find this so funny is because just a few months ago, there was a PC9 for sale on that same forum for "$900 FIRM NO LOW BALLERS" and it did get sold.
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I would pre pay-order a Ruger PC Carbine 10MM auto, but I am afraid your most likely correct in the possible calibers. But I'm also sure I will get one in 9MM. FYI it uses the 10-22 fire control group.
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You know the break down feature is very nice for APT dwellers who have to walk to there cars in more or less plane sight of everybody and their brother.
A duffel, so stuffed with the Ruger PC Carbine broken in two, would be very inconspicuous for these peoples.
A duffel, so stuffed with the Ruger PC Carbine broken in two, would be very inconspicuous for these peoples.
Right now I have the old Hi-Point fugly in 9mm. But somewhere in the not too distant future, I could see getting a Ruger carbine. I'm not in a rush.
Of course, politically, things could go into a frenzy. I'd have to be satisfied with the Hi-Point.
Of course, politically, things could go into a frenzy. I'd have to be satisfied with the Hi-Point.
I didn't help that Jeff Quinn created 2 shot groups from 50 yards with the new Ruger that were ≤ 3½" and then said "Ruger had out a pistol caliber carbine a few years ago, they discontinued, this one is better than that one was..."
That helps for people with houses as well if they have gang bangers living to the left of them that hang out in their yard all day.
Or with progressive, anti-gun, anti-hunting, hipsteresque neighbors. Providing that you give a damn what they think, of course.
(Dressing a whitetail hanging from a swing set on your front yard while wearing an "UZI DOES IT" T-shirt was probably the last straw, they haven't even talked to me since...)
No, not really, but they call the cops on you on anything. Dressing any game in plain sight? Cops. Cleaning guns within 10ft of any window? Cops. Carrying a pair of fencing swords from the car to house in a gun case? Cops. I'm on a first-name basis with some of the officers by now and I already know to brew some fresh coffee and take out the donuts whenever I've as much as watched the Outdoor Channel with the curtains open. Their credibility with the 112 ("911") operators has fortunately plummeted to a cry-wolf-level and I wouldn't be surprised if they put them on hold if their house is about to burn down.
Sorry, this digressed a bit far from the subject of Ruger carbine, but I just had to vent. Carrying a gun in an inconspicuous bag has its advantages, though.
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They went with the magazine in front because they wanted to serve the California market. If you live in a free state and you want a PCC for home defense, you can buy Kel-Tec SUB-2000 and be done with it. Other such options exist already from B&T or Defender. Not sure if Tavor conversion kits are available yet, but it's in the pipeline. So, instead of competing with all these options, Ruger is trying to serve an underserved market, not the market you want them to serve.
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I disagree that this carbine is specifically for the California market, sure they are putting out a neutered version to serve those trapped in commie states, but the main version that ships with a 17rd mag and a threaded barrel is obviously aimed at the rest of the US.
I live in a plenty free state, and this carbine interests me way more than the Keltec (which I didn't care for after shooting). The other options you mentioned range from a dressed up Mac for a street price of $200 more, to a B&T for twice the price and a Tavor + additional conversion kit for probably 4 times the price of the Ruger. Maybe I'm just weird, but those options aren't very inspiring for me. The other PCC carbines that I've looked seriously at before this Ruger came out, were all AR based, and while I think they'd work fine, I'm up to my eyeballs in ARs, and the Ruger is a breath of fresh air. To me it will basically be a 9mm 10/22, which I've always found to be pretty handy platform, even though the mag is a few inches in front of the grip.
The real icing on the cake for those of us in free states with an interest in quiet shooting will be when the Silent-SR ISB style integrally suppressed barrels come out...
I doubt it the way the magazine adapters are shaped, at least not while maintaining a comfortable grip, they also probably wouldn't have worked with a mag through the grip carbine either. As it is, the ability to use my pile of Glock mags, and dirt cheap MagPul GL9 mags is more interesting to me than having the mag run through the grip.
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The features Ruger selected avoid "assault weapon" bans in CA, CT, DC, MA, MD, NJ and NY, which contain 26% of the country's population.
Even living in a "free state", the rifle is more appealing to me than another AR variant.
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I think that Ruger's sale strategy is probably aimed at both the various States where the AWB or harsher version of it is in effect (California, NY, Connecticut etc) by easily being able to substitute a lower capacity mag and with it's non-tactical appearance as well as the Red-state MSR crowd with it's ability to accept Glock mags and threaded muzzle (which means that it'll be able to be equipped with a suppressor).
The men and women who use the phrase 'Behind Enemy Lines' will still be able to buy one and can still use pre-ban mags that they have squirreled away (that haven't been declared illegal outright without any grandfathering clause). They can still attach lights and optics if they want to and they have something fairly non-threatening to defend hearth and home without blowing their eardrums out (which is one of the drawbacks of using a rifle indoors).
The ones who want to tactical the thing out with all the various accessories which will undoubtedly be made for it by Butler Creek, Boyd and Magpul and using Glock extendo's will be able to do so.
Then there's the fact that it takes down and can be carried in a pack. That screams survival rifle for the backpack/hiking crowd.
Plus for many (myself included) the Ruger 10/22 was their first rifle, so there's the nostalgia factor with its general size and (probable) feel.
It's like a little something for everyone. I imagine that if it actually works well that these carbines will be wildly successful.
It's a good strategy for Ruger. They get both ends of the market by playing to the middle.
Lots of folks in California and NY are buying Mini-14's, neutered AR's and the occasional M1 Garand/M1A for a reason. They can't buy regular AR-15's.
Shooters in both types of states and climates will buy these Rugers as well as those who just want a light, quick handing carbine that can be carried in halves chambered in popular calibers if they make them in enough numbers.
The men and women who use the phrase 'Behind Enemy Lines' will still be able to buy one and can still use pre-ban mags that they have squirreled away (that haven't been declared illegal outright without any grandfathering clause). They can still attach lights and optics if they want to and they have something fairly non-threatening to defend hearth and home without blowing their eardrums out (which is one of the drawbacks of using a rifle indoors).
The ones who want to tactical the thing out with all the various accessories which will undoubtedly be made for it by Butler Creek, Boyd and Magpul and using Glock extendo's will be able to do so.
Then there's the fact that it takes down and can be carried in a pack. That screams survival rifle for the backpack/hiking crowd.
Plus for many (myself included) the Ruger 10/22 was their first rifle, so there's the nostalgia factor with its general size and (probable) feel.
It's like a little something for everyone. I imagine that if it actually works well that these carbines will be wildly successful.
It's a good strategy for Ruger. They get both ends of the market by playing to the middle.
Lots of folks in California and NY are buying Mini-14's, neutered AR's and the occasional M1 Garand/M1A for a reason. They can't buy regular AR-15's.
Shooters in both types of states and climates will buy these Rugers as well as those who just want a light, quick handing carbine that can be carried in halves chambered in popular calibers if they make them in enough numbers.
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I looked into that and the dead blow weight is mounted inside the bolt. See page 34 of the pdf file.
http://ruger-docs.s3.amazonaws.com/_manuals/PC-Carbine.pdf
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