NRA suspends top lobbyist Chris Cox after ‘failed coup attempt’

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kidneyboy said:
No offense taken. I take statements like "I know for a fact" with a large grain of salt.

If the NRA fades away without a very well funded, very well established group to take it's place we lose big time. Currently the NRA is a massive political lobbying group standing in the way of the anti 2A movement. While I'm not crazy about the role they play right now it's needed at this particular time.
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But that’s my problem right there, they have a history of supporting anti 2nd rights points. I.E the bump stock ban and what that can lead to. If their willing to to do that, are they really going to defend us when a new AW ban is brought up in the Supreme Court ?
Charlie Horse said:
Really? How old were you 20 years ago? I hear this a lot from those who were not involved in the fight, then show up telling those of us who were ow little we did? No offense? Are you serious?
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I wasn’t born yet, but the NRA has done little to nothing for 2ndA rights as my time in the gun community.
 
Wisco said:
The NRA needs to be gutted...er...filleted. It needs to be filleted like a salmon and the whole useless carcass thrown back to the circle of life and only the best part kept: Gun rights. Training. Youth programs. Apolitical information about why citizens should care about responsible firearms ownership and use.
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Hard to disagree with this.
 
Take a look at NRA TV...that part with Dana and the rest. That dance may be why membership is dropping. Getting the so called liberal press hooked up in the is absolute BS. Those documents that started this mess were internal from the NRA. Tell me how the liberal press hatched up all the stories about abuse of power and money. The NRA is a wholly owned subsidiary of a big political party. That may be the reason membership dropped drastically. Who knows. That information is probably a super secret for your eyes only document. It would be hard to prove that the NRA is not run by a powerful untouchable clique. I'm sure some people who resigned told the NRA folks in detail why there were leaving. How about some stats on the exodus.
 
I will still support the NRA along with the GOA and SAF and anyone else that will assist in the fight for my RKBA. Period.
 
Do you support the organization or have loyalty to a detrimental management? Simple question.
 
GEM said:
Do you support the organization or have loyalty to a detrimental management? Simple question.
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I have no loyalty to any individual NRA member, management or not. But I would not withdraw support from an ally when it is having trouble. I would support all allies in the fight to RKBA, flawed or not.
 
Even if a flawed ally is destructive to the organization, such that the long term cause is damaged by blind loyalty. To cut to the chase, if Wayne called you - would you tell him to go?
 
GEM said:
Even if a flawed ally is destructive to the organization, such that the long term cause is damaged by blind loyalty. To cut to the chase, if Wayne called you - would you tell him to go?
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The NRA is still more than Wayne it is all of the instructors and members fighting for the cause. And if Wayne (or anyone else) called me I'd ask him how I could help.
 
The next time the NRA calls for a donation - and they call me at least twice a month - I will say, "I will not donate to the NRA as long as Wayne Lapierre works there". THAT is something they will notice if enough people say it. The university I attended had a president that was WAY out of the mainstream, and when fundraising calls were answered like this by lots of people, he lasted about 18 months before being replaced.
 
SharpDog said:
The NRA is still more than Wayne it is all of the instructors and members fighting for the cause. And if Wayne (or anyone else) called me I'd ask him how I could help.
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So he should stay?
 
GEM said:
So he should stay?
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I don't have an opinion on Wayne. Wayne has been there as long as I can remember and if they renamed it Wayne Inc and still continued the instructor and youth training programs and the legal and lobbying efforts I wouldn't care. I can see the failed coup attempt but it seems to me that the monetary losses to the advertising company is the biggest mistake. I don't know the facts surrounding those decisions and I am happy to leave everything up to the normal voting process.

Bottom line, our RKBA is safer with the NRA than without it, regardless of past mistakes.

I see any intentional weakening of the NRA (or GOA or SAF) as short-sighted and wrong-headed. At this point in time perhaps one or the other is more efficient at some things or other things (e.g. jurisprudence vs. youth training) but IMHO we need all of them and more and we should be trying to help and preserve them all. If you are withholding donations to the NRA then you should put those donations to work elsewhere in the fight for our RKBA.
 
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This pro-Wayne talk is like holding a flashlight for the burglar that's robbing your house. Does that clique need ordinary members other than for the money? How much for the clothes and the intern? How about taking a look at the collective salaries of everybody hooked up in the cash cow. Mooooo.

Addendum: How much horsepower has the NRA lost due to the scandal? Nobody is talking about tearing the NRA down. There is a need to start all over again. The clique is cancer that needs to be removed.
 
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Mullo98 said:
But that’s my problem right there, they have a history of supporting anti 2nd rights points. I.E the bump stock ban and what that can lead to. If their willing to to do that, are they really going to defend us when a new AW ban is brought up in the Supreme Court ?
I wasn’t born yet, but the NRA has done little to nothing for 2ndA rights as my time in the gun community.
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Its clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Now I'll admit that the current situation does have to be remedied, but the say that the NRA has done nothing is nonsensical. You are displaying ignorance, coupled with petulance.

Now what is it you THINK you know for a fact?
 
I'd suggest we all wait to see what happens nationwide related to this scandal as it unfolds. In the meantime write letters to Clique members with you feelings. You may have trouble finding out who these people are. Surprise,Surprise.
 
Charlie Horse said:
Its clear you have no idea what you're talking about. Now I'll admit that the current situation does have to be remedied, but the say that the NRA has done nothing is nonsensical. You are displaying ignorance, coupled with petulance.

Now what is it you THINK you know for a fact?
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Please tell me something the NRA has done for gun rights in the last few years? Or any thing for gun rights since they have been around. Other than just saying their fighting for our rights and ask for some donations.
 
Are you serious? You do know that this is the premier guns rights organization in the WORLD. They have been a part of EVERY RKBA lawsuit filed, are THE go to source for 2A politics, backed concealed carry back as for as the 1980s. As I surmised, you have no idea as to what happened in the past, have fought no battles, and your contribution so far has been to show up and display ignorance. What about the fight against the Crime Bill in 1994? The original bill would have banned all mags over 20 rounds and it was about to happen.

Now, what is it you think you know?
 
Charlie Horse said:
Are you serious? You do know that this is the premier guns rights organization in the WORLD. They have been a part of EVERY RKBA lawsuit filed, are THE go to source for 2A politics, backed concealed carry back as for as the 1980s. As I surmised, you have no idea as to what happened in the past, have fought no battles, and your contribution so far has been to show up and display ignorance. What about the fight against the Crime Bill in 1994? The original bill would have banned all mags over 20 rounds and it was about to happen.

Now, what is it you think you know?
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Yet they backed bump stock bans, cared less over AWB, abandoned poor souls in Cali, ok with the Mumford act, didn’t fight any import bans, and they are pretty quite over the whole Bloomberg thing that’s brewing now. To me and several others, the NRA has failed. I wouldn’t support them till they show actually care for gun rights other than some hunting rifle. GOA is my answer.
 
We are missing the point. The thread was about the Clique. This was not about the NRA. It was about the cancer inside now that the day or reckoning is at hand. It's not about the past. It's about now and the future. We need to have some information on the exodus and the near bankruptcy. It sounds like many people here want to go back like it was. You may include me as wanting to return to the real conservative values not this nut ball stuff.
 
And then there's this
Mowgli Terry said:
We are missing the point. The thread was about the Clique. This was not about the NRA. It was able the cancer inside now that the day or reckoning is at hand. It's not about the past. It's about now and the future. We need to have some information on the exodus and the near bankruptcy. It sounds like many people here want to go back like it was. You may include me as wanting to return to the real conservative values not this nut ball stuff.
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You did see that those links I posted are current 2019 programs right ? ^^^

I have no problems with you writing letters to the 'clique' or voting in the elections. But punishing the organization that sponsors these programs just hurts us all.
 
To YOU? SO the entire RKBA is YOU. They fought the AWB and were politically tarred and feathered over it. Its part of what brought about the Gingrich revolution in 1994. You know, something else that happened before you were born. They knew the bumpstock ban was a loser, and decided not to make the effort. I would have, but I'm hard headed. So you don't know history OR politics?

The did fight the import bans, but there was no one listening in these days. You remember how it was, oh wait YOU HAVE NO IDEA. You think Mulford was the NRAs idea? Sometimes in politics you have to make dirty choices. If the Black Panters, a terrorist organization, hadn't pushed the issue, it wouldn't have come up.

To you? We were fighting this battle long before anyone convinced you that you had any idea what you were talking about. You think the NRA is QUIET over anything Bloomberg has said? Can you read?

I didn't realize that presentism could lay hold on such a short period of time...
pres·ent·ism
/ˈprezenˌtizəm/
noun
  1. uncritical adherence to present-day attitudes, especially the tendency to interpret past events in terms of modern values and concepts.
 
SharpDog said:
I have no problems with you writing letters to the 'clique' or voting in the elections. But punishing the organization that sponsors these programs just hurts us all
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Friend, try reading my post. You are going off half cocked trying to hijack the thread. We are talking a cancer in the organization. Are you justifying the behavior of those who are looting the Association? Start at the first post and read through them all.
 
Let’s stay on topic with facts rather than hyperbole The NRA has done and still does good work. We can disagree on some recent positions and actions of current leadership.
 
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