ArkieVol
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Davidson's sold out their first shipment in two days but I'm on the list for the next batch.
Davidson's sold out their first shipment in two days but I'm on the list for the next batch.
speculators snapping them up because they think they can sell them later for a great markup if the chambering gets scarce again
grter said:Am I the only one who thinks the SP101 with the 4.25 inch (a great barrel for this caliber) is one of the most ideal revolvers made today. Not excessivley big, not too small either.
Well, this thread is about the LCR not the SP101........ But since you made the statement you did, I'm going to share my perspective.Am I the only one who thinks the SP101 with the 4.25 inch (a great barrel for this caliber) is one of the most ideal revolvers made today. Not excessivley big, not too small either.
I agree. The 327 is perfect for concealment in a tinny gun, or for open carry and hunting in a full size gun. A 2"or 3" SP101 would be a good gun, but the longer barrel does nothing for me.I will buy the LCR-327. It will make the perfect pocket rocket.
Because, they're stoopid.So, it is feasible to have a 327 MAG with a two-inch barrel. Why did Ruger sit on that one for so long?
While .327 is not a bear gun by any means
Here's the deal. With the way parts are machined in high-volume production nowdays all the skill is in the programming and the setup. These companies aren't using Bridgeports and lathes that require skill to operate, all that skill is in the Prototype Shop and the Gauge Room these days. On the production floor the operators basically babysit a machine that is fixtured and set up by someone who knows how to do those functions. There are a set of gauges by the machine and the operator only needs to know how to use those gauges to check the finish dimensions of each part that comes off the machine. If one of the parts fails the gauge the operator shuts down the machine and calls the setup person to figure out what went wrong.Because, they're stoopid.
Kidding, but seriously, I use to think I understood Ruger and then at a recent job I had a lot of co-workers use to work at Ruger and had nothing but bad things to say about them. Everything from low pay to low quality in their manufacturing standards.
There are probably some machinists on this forum that know how to machine metal, that's because they're smart guys with experience and won't work for $10.50/hour. That's the pay at Ruger and you know who they're hiring to make their guns? 19 year olds from McDonald's. As much as I want to like Ruger, I find it harder and harder to do with each passing day.
So, why did it take them so long? Because they had to train the assembly line how to make it. That on top of the usual design, testing, modifications, etc. This .327 is basically the .357 LCR, it's the same weight. I assume Ruger tried to make the .327 work on the .38+P frame, but couldn't do it. Also, I believe that after Newtown, Ruger was more focused on production than design. In 2013 they literally could not make enough guns.
I always love it when wet-behind-the-ears twenty something year olds think they know better how to run a company than those who actually do. A company, I might add, that has turned a profit every year since its inception in 1949, has ZERO debt, runs on cash and is producing a record number of guns.Kidding, but seriously, I use to think I understood Ruger and then at a recent job I had a lot of co-workers use to work at Ruger and had nothing but bad things to say about them. Everything from low pay to low quality in their manufacturing standards.
There are probably some machinists on this forum that know how to machine metal, that's because they're smart guys with experience and won't work for $10.50/hour. That's the pay at Ruger and you know who they're hiring to make their guns? 19 year olds from McDonald's. As much as I want to like Ruger, I find it harder and harder to do with each passing day.
So, why did it take them so long? Because they had to train the assembly line how to make it. That on top of the usual design, testing, modifications, etc. This .327 is basically the .357 LCR, it's the same weight. I assume Ruger tried to make the .327 work on the .38+P frame, but couldn't do it. Also, I believe that after Newtown, Ruger was more focused on production than design. In 2013 they literally could not make enough guns.
Ruger was very involved in the creation of this round, so why they flat out failed to wait until 2015 to do this makes me wonder.
I've been pleased with the quality of all my recent Ruger purchases.
The 327 also had the bad luck of launching during an ammo panic when the shelves were bare. Ammo manufacturers were running full out trying to keep existing cartridges on the shelf and didn't have extra capacity to make a new cartridge without a proven track record. So gun manufacturers made guns but there wasn't any ammo to go with them. By the time ammo manufacturers caught up and had 327 on the shelf the guns had been discontinued due to poor sales.
Ah..... I wasn't aware there was that bad of a shortage going on at the time. I was fairly new to handguns at that point. I do remember when I was debating an SP101 in 327, vs the 357 that I had a hard time finding 327 anywhere in my area, despite that I live in a gun friendly place where you can typically find dang near any modern cartridge you need. I was able to find 357 and 38 special, and it had a very real impact on my choice.The 327 also had the bad luck of launching during an ammo panic when the shelves were bare. Ammo manufacturers were running full out trying to keep existing cartridges on the shelf and didn't have extra capacity to make a new cartridge without a proven track record. So gun manufacturers made guns but there wasn't any ammo to go with them. By the time ammo manufacturers caught up and had 327 on the shelf the guns had been discontinued due to poor sales.
Like I've said earlier, I think Ruger has been playing catch up with the market from the last two presidential elections. After 2008, the economy sucked and people were not going to buy into a new cartridge and a new gun as they were trying to stock up on supplies for guns they already had. It was the worst time to unveil a new cartridge.Well you are missing some key points here. Ruger did produce SP101's in 327 mag back when the cartridge was fairly new. They apparently didn't sell real well because they were discontinued. The LCR did not exist back then, so the SP101 was the only option.
Then the 327 passed into obscurity and sat in the shadows for a few years as a failed cartridge. Glocks and Tupperware guns were drawing all the attention of new shooters, and older shooters who already had their carry revolver needs met perhaps cared little for the 327, when the 357 and 38 special took care of their needs. However, the fans managed to keep it alive.
Now, it seems that there are more and more new shooters, more people wanting to carry a gun, and people like myself who originally rejected the 327 as an uncommon cartridge that would be hard to find, who now have seen the light.
More and more women are choosing to carry as well, and with many women not having the hand strength to manipulate the slide of small nines and 380's, j frame sized revolvers are more popular than ever.
So after watching the market, observing face book posts, and recognizing the market for the LCR in 327, they are beginning to produce it.
They aren't stupid, or slow to react. They were waiting to see if there was an actual market for this gun, in a once failed cartridge. It's the logical way the development of this gun had to go.