S&W FPC and new folding 9mm PCC?

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I have heard some rumors that S&W is releasing a side folding PCC in the next day or two. It takes M&P magazines and looks similar to a Kel Tec S2K but obviously side folding.

I am a sucker for 9mm PCC's so I am interested to see what they put together.

Anyone else have info on this?
 
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R.W.Dale said:
What is the deal with folding and or takedown PCCs ?

Not once have I been like. This rifle would be better if it stored twice as thick in an awkward case size with the potential to lose half of it. Loosely attaching the barrel to the sighting device is for me too.
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Easier to fit in a go-bag, under a seat, truck box, console, etc. I get it.
 
I am a bit biassed as I have a Sub 2K, but mine fits in a hydration bladder, uses the same magazines and ammo as my CCW pistol and is easier to hit with than a pistol. My two halves stay attached to each other and the fore end is equipped with a rail. It is definitely a bit wonky but has never jammed. I get that there are better choices, but they are usually not as practical to carry or deploy.

With the Smith, I am just interested in the design and to see how it shoots. I like new guns and designs.
 
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I built a side folder AR for my TaeKwon-Do instructor… he needed a duffel bag gun, and that did it. Not a big fan of them meself, nor takedowns (like the Ruger.)
 
R.W.Dale said:
Not once have I been like. This rifle would be better if it stored twice as thick in an awkward case size with the potential to lose half of it. Loosely attaching the barrel to the sighting device is for me too.
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Meanwhile at Arfcom, discussing Henry Homesteader:

Screenshot 2023-02-27 at 21-44-38 Henry Homesteader - AR15.COM.png

Also I keep seeing people who say "I'll never buy a non-take-down rifle now". The convenience of it is something that shotgunners knew for a century.

Of course these days rifles are extremely compact, with all the folding stocks and stubby barrels.
 


For me personally I'm not really interested in another blowback 9mm. I think I would rather have one of these than the keltec if I were in the market for a folding 9mm carbine, but I honestly don't really want either of them. If they had made it a delayed blowback of some sort that would really elevate it from the competition. I suspect it will be popular though because with the new brace ruling basically shutting down the market for braced 9mm pistols, there is going to be a renewed interest in PCC's with the magazine in the grip.
 
If it were delayed blowback and was available as an SBR with like a 8" barrel so that I could put my suppressor on it and fold it, that would really be something to get me excited.
 
The advantage the Keltec has is it folds flat whereas this is going to make itself quite wide when folded in half. The fold in half makes optic mounting easier, but there are solutions for the Keltec (while maintaining irons) and the Keltec will be much easier to stow/fit in bags by design (as shown below).

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Guess S&W rather than innovate themselves just spend time looking at Keltec offerings...
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/fpc
https://www.smith-wesson.com/product/m-p-12
 
someguy2800 said:
If they had made it a delayed blowback of some sort that would really elevate it from the competition.
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A delayed blowback would elevate something else too: the street price.

Observe how FPC uses a very Keltec style of construction, with plastic halves of the receiver held together by rows of screws. It obviously was designed with an aim of minimizing cost.

What I personally wish had a solid delayed blowback operation is Henry Homesteader. It already has pretenses for being a fine carbine, and it costs more than a Ruger PC(C/C). It could stand some more elevation beyond the wood furniture.
 
zaitcev said:
A delayed blowback would elevate something else too: the street price.

Observe how FPC uses a very Keltec style of construction, with plastic halves of the receiver held together by rows of screws. It obviously was designed with an aim of minimizing cost.

What I personally wish had a solid delayed blowback operation is Henry Homesteader. It already has pretenses for being a fine carbine, and it costs more than a Ruger PC(C/C). It could stand some more elevation beyond the wood furniture.
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It certainly would cost more but then at least there would be a reason to justify a higher cost. At the price tag its currently at, assuming a street price of around $550, I can't really say your getting more for your money compared to the competition considering that cheap construction. If you really must have a folding gun then I suppose there is a lot of value in that, but that's not in my priorities. If they would have made this a roller delay I would be willing to pay 700 or 800 for it. But being a simple blowback it doesn't have anything for me that I can't get in cheaper guns. This design would be perfect for a roller delay mechanism in the buffer tube like the Scheel MFG system for the AR. I personally just think its 2023 now and its not that hard to make a delayed blowback 9mm and I'm disappointed in the lack of options and innovation. People keep buying then though so I guess I am in the minority.
 
someguy2800 said:
It certainly would cost more but then at least there would be a reason to justify a higher cost. At the price tag its currently at, assuming a street price of around $550, I can't really say your getting more for your money compared to the competition considering that cheap construction. If you really must have a folding gun then I suppose there is a lot of value in that, but that's not in my priorities. If they would have made this a roller delay I would be willing to pay 700 or 800 for it. But being a simple blowback it doesn't have anything for me that I can't get in cheaper guns. This design would be perfect for a roller delay mechanism in the buffer tube like the Scheel MFG system for the AR. I personally just think its 2023 now and its not that hard to make a delayed blowback 9mm and I'm disappointed in the lack of options and innovation. People keep buying then though so I guess I am in the minority.
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I get it, and I'm with you.
 
If it’s the same as others in a crowded market, it might not sell as well as anticipated. Can’t have one in NY anyhow. Got a Camp 9 for my 9mm rifle.
 
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someguy2800 said:
It certainly would cost more but then at least there would be a reason to justify a higher cost. At the price tag its currently at, assuming a street price of around $550, I can't really say your getting more for your money compared to the competition considering that cheap construction. If you really must have a folding gun then I suppose there is a lot of value in that, but that's not in my priorities. If they would have made this a roller delay I would be willing to pay 700 or 800 for it. But being a simple blowback it doesn't have anything for me that I can't get in cheaper guns. This design would be perfect for a roller delay mechanism in the buffer tube like the Scheel MFG system for the AR. I personally just think its 2023 now and its not that hard to make a delayed blowback 9mm and I'm disappointed in the lack of options and innovation. People keep buying then though so I guess I am in the minority.
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You know, I look at that and see steel rollers that depress into cutouts into an aluminum alloy buffer tube and wonder how many shots fired it takes to wear out the cutouts in that buffer tube. https://www.davincimachining.com/scheel-manufacturing-roller-delayed-buffer-system
 
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