Should they get an exception?

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I was listening to a podcast earlier this week. One of the co-host was a LEO and he was of the belief if a mag capacity ban happened that LEO should get an exception. One of the other co-host that was non-LEO said that the LEO was being anti-gun and represented the "I support RKBA, but" crowd. The LEO replyed with the " I guess you think anyone should have thermonuclear weapons".
Im not LE but I tend to agree with the non-LEO co-host, they do not deserve any special treatment.
What do you think? Are you LE?
 
I'm of the opinion that if you and I do not need it for self defense, why should a LEO need it. Fienbush and company all say we do not need them for self defense, if no one needs them why should LEO's, are they that bad a shot???

Jim
 
VINTAGE-SLOTCARS said:
More cop bashing,,
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Well played. Didn't see that one coming.

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I did always find it odd that most legislation that exempts LEOs says nothing about active and former military personnel. I would think veterans should be just as eligible for the exemptions as former police officers.

Or, we could just let everyone exercise their rights....
 
Yeah, when an active shooter is blasting away in the school cafeteria the cops that arrive first can practice standing slide lock reloads while they wait for help instead of arming themselves to the hilt and neutralizing the threat. Makes perfect sense to me. :banghead: Yes, I am former LEO and while I am very pro 2nd Amendment, I do believe those who put their butts on the line should continue to have the NFA exclusions, etc. If not, society best not criticize the men and women in blue for reverting to the old tactics of putting officer safety first by just waiting to see...
 
Ankeny you act like we are the ones in favor of these restrictions. We simply want the government to abide by the rules they set for us.
 
Look, we all know that magical wards are present when gun control spells are cast. So, I ask you, why do LEO's need these high cap mags if the magic spells prohibit bad things from happening? I'm starting to wonder if maybe the wizards don't trust their spell casting ability.

Seriously, no exceptions for LEO's. I am not anti LEO either.




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Ankeny said:
Yeah, when an active shooter is blasting away in the school cafeteria the cops that arrive first can practice standing slide lock reloads while they wait for help instead of arming themselves to the hilt and neutralizing the threat. Makes perfect sense to me. :banghead: Yes, I am former LEO and while I am very pro 2nd Amendment, I do believe those who put their butts on the line should continue to have the NFA exclusions, etc. If not, society best not criticize the men and women in blue for reverting to the old tactics of putting officer safety first by just waiting to see...
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Just like the citizens you disarmed to create such a defenseless situation to begin with. In Israel the teachers and staff carry carbines to shoot the attacker. Not wait for the yellow tape squad.


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I'll put in my .02. No special diepensations for LEOs, whether active or retired/reserve types. I like the positions being taken by many gun and gun-related manufacturers, where they won't sell anything to LEOs that we ordinary citizens can't own. I see no reason for them to be able to have any special weapons or mags that we can't also have.

I don't agree with joeschmoe in making fun of the tired old line about thermonuclear weapons being allowed under 2A. This is just silly and counterproductive to our fight. Let's keep this serious or we will all end up looking like fools.
 
medalguy said:
I'll put in my .02. No special diepensations for LEOs, whether active or retired/reserve types. I like the positions being taken by many gun and gun-related manufacturers, where they won't sell anything to LEOs that we ordinary citizens can't own. I see no reason for them to be able to have any special weapons or mags that we can't also have.

I don't agree with joeschmoe in making fun of the tired old line about thermonuclear weapons being allowed under 2A. This is just silly and counterproductive to our fight. Let's keep this serious or we will all end up looking like fools.
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I agree completely. Anyone who thinks that the anti's don't search boards like this for silly ideas is fooling themselves.

They're always looking for something divisive to use against us.
 
medalguy said:
I'll put in my .02. No special diepensations for LEOs, whether active or retired/reserve types. I like the positions being taken by many gun and gun-related manufacturers, where they won't sell anything to LEOs that we ordinary citizens can't own. I see no reason for them to be able to have any special weapons or mags that we can't also have.

I don't agree with joeschmoe in making fun of the tired old line about thermonuclear weapons being allowed under 2A. This is just silly and counterproductive to our fight. Let's keep this serious or we will all end up looking like fools.
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I didn't bring it up. The LEO in the story did. That's his excuse why peasants should be restricted. Why does that same logic not apply to them?

. The LEO replyed with the " I guess you think anyone should have thermonuclear weapons".
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No, they should not have an exception to any gun regulations. Anyone who compares a STANDARD CAPACITY magazine to nuclear weapons is being an idiot. I do not support the idea that the government is superior to the citizens. Any special treatment taken by the government that is outlawed to otherwise lawful people is a sign of such. I feel we have the legal right to own any small arms we choose. Equally, we have the legal responsiblity to use them safely. Veteran status has no bearing on the matter either.
 
You can 'what if' this all day. The thermonuclear device or bazooka argument is just plain silly. Leaving out the WHOLE intent of the 2nd Amendment, you would not use a nuke or bazooka (do we still have those? I KNOW we still have bayonets, even though the White House doesn't think so) for personal defense. Bazookas aren't even used for personal defense by soldiers. Pistols and rifles / carbines are. And bayonets are still an option, too.

As far as any exceptions go, if one MUST go down the road of whether one group is more equal than another, then sure, former / retired military would be right up there with LEO, etc etc....

But how about this: Let's not restrict ANYBODY's rights. Going down this road is not seeing the forest for the trees. It's the same as pitting hunters against "tactical" sport shooters. Don't play into it. Instead, write a senator, so we don't have to try to figure out who's more equal.
 
No, LEO should not have an exemption for pistols or rifles.

Bombs - ok
Nukes - ok

The answer to any idiot saying something like "I suppose you think they should have nukes blah blah blah" is obviously "If anyone is nuts enough to try a use a nuke as a personal self defense weapon, then no law will influence them. And it will kill them as well."

In our Republic, we need to start realizing - fostering - demanding that gov't employees don't tell us what weapon we can have but rather we grant them what weapon they can have. Tired of gov't employees thinking of us as their subjects.
 
I look at it a different way - any citizen should have the right to acquire any firearm "in common use" by the PD or military.

It's not a matter of LEOs being "exempted" - no citizen should be "excluded".

Nukes, rocket launchers, armored vehicles, etc ... those are not firearms.

I'm undecided on light artillery, however :evil:
 
Sam Cade said:
There is no policy of arming teachers in Israel.Legal firearms ownership (that is "A" firearm, singular) is rare and difficult.

What we are seeing in that picture is most likely a dedicated school security officer.
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They don't disarm their citizens then hope the troops arrive. The school stays armed at all times.
Teachers in Israel do not necessarily carry guns. It definitely is not a government policy to do so. But that having been said, they CAN carry guns and almost all of them are trained in shooting guns. There are generally government hired armed school guards in front of EVERY school in Israel

I should also mention that during any class trips, it is required to have an armed escort with the kids at all times. Israel takes their children’s safety and security seriously!

http://jewishpreppers.com/2012/12/are-israeli-teachers-armed/
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Americans intent on ensuring a school massacre like the one in Newtown, Conn., never happens again could learn a lot from Israel, where the long menu of precautions includes armed teachers.

The Jewish state, which has long faced threats of terrorist strikes in crowded locations including schools, takes an all-of-the-above approach to safety in the classroom. Fences, metal detectors and armed private guards are part of a strategy overseen by the country’s national police. And the idea of armed teachers in the classroom, which stirred much controversy in the wake of the U.S. attack, has long been in practice in Israel, though a minority of them carry weapons today.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/12/30/armed-teachers-guards-key-to-school-security-in-israel/
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