Showing Off Your CCW Unsafe?

[lwsimon]

Citation?

"Brandishing" typically requires intent to intimidate.

 

[tomrkba]

Citation?

"Brandishing" typically requires intent to intimidate.

I said this earlier, but I think the mods deleted it. However, Graham Corry in Virginia was just convicted of brandishing when he transferred his gun from the glovebox. He was convicted and is awaiting appeal. He was very lucky in the sentencing, but lost his permit.

Thread on opencarry.org has the details. Start looking around page 12. The guilty verdict is on page 13 and there is a district court link there (but you'll have to noodle around with it).

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

What really chaps my cheeks about this issue is laws that force people to handle guns when they don't need to. And also some matches/events with rules that result in unnecessary handling.

Eg states that require you to unholster before going into a prohibited place.

I'd wager these laws cause more gsw than they prevent

That one really annoys me as well - particularly ranges that don't allow you to concealed carry up to the firing line but require you to unload and case it. They are basically saying "Screw safety. Just so long as it doesn't affect my insurance I don't care."

 

[Frank Ettin]

In any case, the legal issues related to brandishing are beside the point. The issue being discussed in this thread is safety.

 

[Vodoun da Vinci]

I don't have my Illinois CCL yet but when I do it'll be "don't ask - don't tell" and then gun will not get shown nor fingered in public. I can envision playing show and tell at my brothers house or maybe my Dad's but more likely that would be with a gun other than the one in my holster.

I don't feel comfortable handling guns unless we are on the range and there is a safe direction/place to point it while loading/unloading as that's when stuff happens.

Every time you unload or jack a round into the gun (I will primarily carry autos) the risk goes up...every time you un holster the risk goes up. Might be small and even insignificant but it's the way I am.

VooDoo

 

[JohnKSa]

Eg states that require you to unholster before going into a prohibited place.

To be accurate, there are no laws anywhere that require a person to "unholster".

There are certainly laws which require a person to disarm, but the choice to "unholster" is purely on the part of the person carrying. A holster can be removed in its entirety with the gun, therefore allowing a person to disarm without unholstering.

I choose my holsters so that this process is very simple--beltloops with one-way snaps attach the holster very securely and yet still allow it to be removed very rapidly and easily.

 

[taliv]

actually, i also remove my entire holster as well on the rare occasion i go into a prohibited place.

 

[Warp]

I've done it both ways, but when I go, say, to a government building and am required by law to disarm here in GA, I do usually unholster. Reason: It is much easier to put the gun back in the holster, while seated in the car, than it is to put the holster on. At least that's the way my most-used holster is. Some are easier to get on.

 

[Stevie-Ray]

Never done it in public to "show it off," but have to put it in a safe in the back of my truck when I wasn't able by law to enter somewhere. Only time I "show it off" is at home when someone wants to see it that knows me, if I am at my buddy's "man-cave" and talking guns and a friend wants to compare all carries, or when at a gun show, where it is required to ty-wrap barrel. At all these times, gun is pulled, unloaded, cleared, and handed grip-first to interested party.

 

[Fred Fuller]

Something to consider ...

"Ever see a $10M/year top athlete blow a play he’s practiced twenty thousand times? Yeah, I have, too. There’s a clue there if you’re willing to accept it."
-- http://pistol-training.com/archives/8911

 

[stargeezer]

Quote:
Eg states that require you to unholster before going into a prohibited place.

To be accurate, there are no laws anywhere that require a person to "unholster".

There are certainly laws which require a person to disarm, but the choice to "unholster" is purely on the part of the person carrying. A holster can be removed in its entirety with the gun, therefore allowing a person to disarm without unholstering.

I choose my holsters so that this process is very simple--beltloops with one-way snaps attach the holster very securely and yet still allow it to be removed very rapidly and easily.
__________________


Not exactly true if I understand you. IL allows a permit holder to pull into a parking lot of a GFZ while carrying, Remove the handgun from the holster, unload it, before exiting the area immediately between the door and the trunk, carry the unloaded handgun to secure it in the trunk. The handgun may also be locked inside the car in a locked glovebox or other container that can be locked.

Either way, the hand gun must be pulled and unloaded while in the car. Carrying the empty holster into the GFZ would cause all kinds of excitement, I'm certain.

 

[JohnKSa]

stargeezer,

Are you saying that IL law actually requires that the gun be removed from the holster? Or that the law merely requires that the gun be unloaded before being placed in the trunk?

If it is the former, I stand corrected.

If it is the latter, the gun can be unloaded while in the holster, by simply dropping the mag, if the gun is carried in condition 3. In spite of the many disadvantages incurred by such a choice, I would strongly consider condition 3 as an option if I were forced, by legislation and/or circumstances, to frequently unload my carry gun in public.

 

[Warp]

stargeezer,

Are you saying that IL law actually requires that the gun be removed from the holster? Or that the law merely requires that the gun be unloaded before being placed in the trunk?

If it is the former, I stand corrected.

If it is the latter, the gun can be unloaded while in the holster, by simply dropping the mag, if the gun is carried in condition 3. In spite of the many disadvantages incurred by such a choice, I would strongly consider condition 3 as an option if I were forced, by legislation and/or circumstances, to frequently unload my carry gun in public.

I would, for practical real world real life purposes, consider a law that requires the gun be unloaded, to be a law that requires you to unholster a loaded gun

For example, if you carry a revolver, you are going to have to remove it from the holster to unload it. Period.

Additionally, it is very common and recommended to carry with a round in the chamber. The [loaded] gun must be removed from the holster for this to happen.

 

[JohnKSa]

For example, if you carry a revolver, you are going to have to remove it from the holster to unload it. Period.

I hadn't considered that--guess now everyone knows whether I carry an auto or a revolver.

Additionally, it is very common and recommended to carry with a round in the chamber.

I agree on both counts. However, I think if I lived in an area where I had to unload frequently in public, I would consider carrying condition 3 in spite of the disadvantages.

 

[Trunk Monkey]

Point of order guys, my question has nothing to do with disarming in public because you are required to do so. In fact in the situation I described I would bet that the guy was specifically told to keep his mouth shut about being armed at all.

 

[gdcpony]

I think this is dependent on how and where you do it.