So, you are walking down the street

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This is not another "what would you do" threads that seem to get people all excited, but rather a hardware question.

You are walking down the street and for some reason there is a person you have already identifed as a bad guy for whatever reason, all of a sudden he rushes towards you. What would be, or what do you think would be the first weapon/tool you would reach for? Be realistic and choose something you almost always have with you.

Again, this is not about decision making as far as handling the threat, it is about what choosing a primary mechanical force option. Your thoughts?
 
Depends on how close he is, how much time I have to react, and how scared I am. His hands are empty? Has he a got a weapon that I can see?

If his hands are free, I'll reach for the OC... Something deadly in his hands I'll reach for the handgun.
 
there is a person you have already identifed as a bad guy for whatever reason, all of a sudden he rushes towards you. What would be, or what do you think would be the first weapon/tool you would reach for?

Shoes.
If I've already identified someone as the badguy and she/he is moving in my direction AT ALL I'm going to "[bleep] the location" as they say.
 
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If they don't have a weapon: I'd probably just defend myself with my hands, as I don't usually have any potential non-lethal self defense tools.

If they have a weapon? My knife, only because that's usually the only thing I have on me (and my keys/wallet/cell phone aren't going to do much good).
If by some chance I'm carrying - which I normally don't because its somewhat frowned upon by my state's government - I'll probably already have a good grip on my Ruger LCP in my pocket if there's some reason for me to already be concerned [as you've implied], so naturally that would probably come out with my hand.
 
If he's unarmed, I think my first reaction would be to grab him and start smashing his head against the nearest hard object. You can take a lot of wind out of somebody's sails by smashing his gourd against a wall, a light pole, the corner of a newspaper box, etc.

If he has a weapon and he's too close for you to draw, try to grab his hand and use your weight to drive him backwards into something. Get him off-balance, slam his elbow into a pole or a tree and snap his arm, drive him backwards into something sharp, etc.

I'm not fit or physical, but I try to stay aware of things around me that I could use to put a hurtin' on an attacker. What's that old saying....the best defense is a good offense? You get attacked, go on the counterattack yourself with no mercy. Inflict as much pain and bleeding as quickly as you can. Do unto others before they can do unto you.

Someone attacks this fat, limping old man and I can't draw, I'll do everything I can to damage the s.o.b. any way I can, as fast as possible. Including grabbing him and whipping him out into traffic if I can.

JMHO.
 
As mentioned, it would depend on how much time I had to react. Having said that, I am of two minds on this:

1. Draw my gun on him. Hopefully it will discourage him from continuing toward me before he can hurt me, and I can always downgrade to something less lethal should it be appropriate after I have had a chance to evaluate the siuation, but I'd rather start with too much than not enough.

2. Go for the OC spray. If he had a gun, he would most likely use it at a distance rather than rush me. If he had any other close range weapon, I could probably hit him with the OC before he got to me, and if he turned out to be unarmed I wouldn't be facing a manslaughter charge.

I'm leaning toward #2.
 
Begging pardon, this is "what would you do."

If I see someone I know as a bad-guy, as soon as I see him, I'm changing direction (somewhere between 90 and 180 degrees), so let's assume for the sake of your question it's at the very moment I see he breaks for me.

If it's a night, I'll already have my flashlight in my hand, so he gets a large "STOP!" and a flash of light (first I look at his hands, then I make sure the light's in his eyes). As I'm doing this, my right hand is reaching back for the gun (not to present--no lethal threat yet), and my shoes are moving back slowly, and I NEED to scan for other threats and to see if I've got some obstacle to get between him and me. Can always use the flashlight bezel to pound him if he gets to me.

If it's day, same things except my flashlights in my back pocket. I'm probably extending an empty hand forward to ward him off (even though there's a revolver in my left hand pocket), while the right hand goes back.

Interesting: if this was in the home, a "tumultuous entry" often (check your state law) allows you to use deadly force right now, because the suddenness of the attack does not allow you to determine whether deadly attack is under way. However, out on the street, I do not recall any case-law or statute that says a guy running at you is reason to shoot him.

So, if he's serious, be prepared to deal with him empty-handed, or with any kubotan or OC you can reach in a second. (I have a number of tools on me--which ones I'll be able to reach during a fight and which ones I think will be necessary--we'll see.)

Unless you see a weapon. Then light him up.

(That is, if you are in reasonable fear of an immediate, otherwise unavoidable lethal or crippling injury. Standard disclaimer.)
 
Again, this is not about decision making as far as handling the threat, it is about what choosing a primary mechanical force option. Your thoughts?
I'd pull my gun and shoot him before I possibly lost the opportunity to do anything.

I do not recall any case-law or statute that says a guy running at you is reason to shoot him.
Given the guy's history and actions in this scenario I believe the shooter would easily be "No Billed" by a Texas Grand Jury (good shoot).
 
Living in the Peeoples Republik Of Maryland, I won't have a gun on me. But I will have my knobby old blackthorn walking stick with me. One good thing about being a 50% disabled vet, I get to have a stout imact weapon right in hand everywhere I go, and I used to be pretty good at stickball.

I guess I'd try to break any extremities I could by doing my John Henry working on the railroad imitation. Then limp away quickly.:)
 
I would imediately open my knife, I have practiced doing this covertly with the knife held so that the blade is facing up my arm so as not to be seen. Move out of his path to see it he is running at me or if he deems the direction that I am comming from to be his best escape route. If he changes directions to come at me then I will prepare to engage him.

Although I see no reason for a random BG to attack me on the streets as i dont think I look like a very good target at 6'2'' 220lbs.
 
Again, there are only two types of threats...known and unknown. On creating distance...how much and where do you get it from. Is there a wall or vehicle beside you?

Against and edged or impact weapon there are only two good places, the best is a mile away and the other is well within the range of the weapon. The can negate some of the effect and allow you to deal with the mechanism of the attack and not the tool.

Drawing a gun during the situation or even deploying a blade for that matter would be like getting your hammer out only to realize you are dealing with a screw. Yes, you could choose to use the hammer to drive a screw but more than likely you will be forced to instead of decide, I mean it is in your hand and all, why not use it? You know what you get...a mess. You need the right tools for the right job.
 
If someone is charging at me, I would take two preparatory actions before engaging:

I would try to move rearwards or laterally to create distance. Meticulously move away from the threat (not running backwards wildly). You will never outpace a maddened sprint towards you (he will eventually catch up) but the point is to give you a few precious additional seconds to analyze the situation and do what you need to do. Recall that on average, the findings of the Teuller Drill saw that, with no obstacles, a human being can cover (from a dead start) around 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Even a half second of extra time is 7 feet. A quarter of a second is the difference between safety and two paws squeezing your throat. Staying stationary in a dynamic world is probably the worst thing you can do.

I would make all attempts to escape or evade, if safe to do so. This gives you more credibility as an individual that exhausted all attempts to get away from the situation thrust upon you, not an individual that escalated the situation. While in many states you can stand your ground, using obstacles and making attempts to create distance is probably more tactically sound, and friendlier in the courts.

Meanwhile it's probably wise to make very clear, concise, short commanding statements like "STOP RIGHT THERE" or "DON'T COME ANY FURTHER". If a weapon is present, "PUT DOWN THE WEAPON, DO IT NOW".

I feel this plays a multi-part role. A commanding presence can sometimes phase or stop an advancing individual since it is not a typically expected response from a "meek victim". Bad guys don't usually go for the biggest, strongest, most confident individual. They go for whom they think will make "easy pickin's" By flying in the face of stereotypical victim conventions, you might throw them off their game and make them reconsider. Asserting yourself might give the edge you need in a dire situation such as this. It might even help mentally prepare you, strengthen your resolve.

Second, it gives clear indication you attempted to diffuse the situation to any possible witnesses in the area, which will help your case greatly if lethal force is applied. Witnesses stating you attempted to escape and made statements to cease the attack establishes that you are the victim, NOT the suspect. Keep in mind that if lethal force is applied, law enforcement arriving on the scene see a dead or dying person, and you, an armed individual. The first thing they think of you is "suspect" unless exculpatory evidence stacks up and the picture is made clear that you were a victim that applied successful self-defense.

Given the guy's history and actions in this scenario I believe the shooter would easily be "No Billed" by a Texas Grand Jury (good shoot).

Assuming the viewpoint that you do not recognize or know the individual at all, either in person or by reputation, it does you no good in court. Just because you shot someone unknown to you and it happened to be an escaped serial murderer, you can't say, "but look! I killed a crazy axe-murdering cannibal!" Even if that bit of beneficial coincidence fell in your lap, it is not admissible as evidence in a court of law.

The valid counterargument is "but look! it could have been the pastor from the church down the street" Since you did not know the history of the individual, it played absolutely no role in your decision making.
 
What range? Is he big/small? Unarmed, armed/with what?
Possible accomplices near by? A bike or car driving suspiciously slow near by?

Not enough information.

Lets say he’s very close, I’m using my hands, more distance, and I’m drawing while I use my sacrifice hand to keep him at bay.

FerFAL
 
It is not about the situation, what would be your go to mechanical force option if you were only being approached by someone who made you feel uncomfortable?
 
My full size Ontario USA Combat knife serves as a good deterrent in a pinch. Can be deployed more quickly under a stressful situation.
 
"My full size Ontario USA Combat knife serves as a good deterrent in a pinch. Can be deployed more quickly under a stressful situation."

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One more vote for "Run away screaming".

However, since the odds are pretty good that he's quicker on his feet than me (most humans, and some species of snail, are), I'd probably just try and find a place to hole up. Hide, get into a crowd, or find a place where I can improvise a better weapon than the tiny knife I carry with me.

If he's gonna catch me, I'm gonna make the fellow follow me in somewhere he isn't likely to have buddies hanging around, or know the terrain too well. Come and get me, man. Gotta work for it, because the most dangerous place in the world is between a terrified fat man and where he's running to.
 
First, I'd run away. If that weren't an option and there's no weapon present, I'd probably reach for my kubotan.

If there's a weapon present, I'm probably going for a knife, or in a few months (c'mon ccw!) a gun.
 
You are walking down the street and for some reason there is a person you have already identifed as a bad guy for whatever reason, all of a sudden he rushes towards you.

Assume - the ID as a BG is valid

But, how far away? Inside 25' and "rushing" at me, I'm only going to have time to take one action (barely). Draw/present move off the X and order him to STOP.

Further away, lateral movement, does he change direction? If so, see reaction #1 ... there ain't that many people I can outrun any more.
 
My full size Ontario USA Combat knife serves as a good deterrent in a pinch.

A knife is a per se deadly weapon. You can only employ a knife in the same deadly-attack-defense in which you're justified using a gun.

So use a gun. Or use less-lethal or non-lethal tools, if it's not a lethal force threat.

(There is a thin exception to knives as per se deadlies--but this is not the legal forum, so let it pass). :)
 
taprackbang wrote:


My full size Ontario USA Combat knife serves as a good deterrent in a pinch. Can be deployed more quickly under a stressful situation.


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taprackbang do you really carry this type blade with you in civilized environments ?
 
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