The GSG-5 goes the way of the dodo

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My prediction is that GSG will swap furniture to remove the MP5 look, the officially licenced HK .22 will suck, and GSG will sell more, higher quality plinkers.
 
They...Cant...Without,

Dumping a ton of money into a stateside factory in a country that has A. an economic downturn, And B. Obama as President.
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That hasn't been the case for the 30+? years that they've been around, those are both recent developments. They could have Ron Paul in office and and a great economic picture and they still wouldn't release civvy versions.
 
HK did what they had to do to protect their IP. The principle is called dilution. Design patents were created to protect the goodwill of the original product, even if it was designed from or similar to a previous product. A simple example would be Nike athletic shoes. Another company cannot take the design and produce shoes too similar in appearence, without potential litigation. Or for a historical gun example, research S&W's infringement on Colt revolvers. There's a reason the cylinder rotates in the opposite direction.
 
As mentioned, if they would release a legitimate halfway affordable civilian version of their firearms that didn't look like garbage with the thumbhole stocks and whatnot, people would buy the real thing instead of clones.
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Due to Federal Law, they cant.

That hasn't been the case for the 30+? years that they've been around, those are both recent developments. They could have Ron Paul in office and and a great economic picture and they still wouldn't release civvy versions.
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They did import HK91's and 94's until Bush 1 put a stop to it.
 
in my opinion h&k waited to long to start defending their IP. if h&k would have jumped on GSG, the paintball & airsoft makers from the start i would back them on this but i think h&k waited to long & should have to forfeit their design patents over it.
if gsg was only selling a few guns & h&k wasn't going to have its own 22lr built simply because of the popularity of the gsg-5 i don't think h&k would even acknowledge the gsg-5 even exists.

two things caused gsg to have to settle with h&k. one was a sticker on the box that reads MP5 & the other was some of mp5 accessories will also fit the gsg-5 but most accessories intended for the mp5 will not work on the gsg without being modified.
the gsg-5 as we know it is a goner but gsg is far from done. they have a very neat 22lr ak-47 , a 22lr 1911 will be out very soon & the gsg-5's replacement is supposed to be unveiled at SHOT
the gsg-5 black carbines are selling like hotcakes right now
 
I buy a lot of damn guns, but an HK will never be one of them. Arrogant, you know...

I will be swinging by my local shop tomorrow and pick up a GSG since ive been wanting one for a while... this is just boosting my motivation..

HK can choke on it.

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Is the GSG any good?
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there was some problems at first but they have been taken care of. the early ones had a pressed in ejector that would work loose. the later guns have a riveted ejector. some gsg-5's would suffer from ftf from light firing pin strikes after a couple hundred rounds. the fireing pin was redesigned to fix that issue. there is also 4 bolts that have been known to lossen up causing all sorts of problems, but a little lock-tite will stop it if it happens to you.
i have the gsg-5PK pistol & i like it a lot. with federal copper coated ammo it's very reliable, with cheap ammo it starts becoming unreliable after about 150-200 rounds.
 
So HK protected its rights and it is evil. Interesting.

I'd do the same, and in a heartbeat.
 
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Man, I was thinking of getting a GSG at the gun show this last weekend...

I don't really foresee prices jumping too much on them... They are just .22's...

I do think it was a bad move on HK's part, unless of course we find out next year there will be the same rifle just re branded with HK's name but same manufacturing... lol.. I agree they should of stopped it when the "clones" first started coming out... not years later... Or for all we know it could of just been sitting in court all this time...

It still won't stop me from buying a HK one of these days...
 
i still find it somewhat amusing that the general consensus here is that its Hk's responsibility to make "affordable guns"

so basically what the general posters in here are saying is that hk should compromise its design, and integrity to make a cheap gun so everyone can buy 1?

i think Ashton Martin should do the same thing...

god i hate Ashton Martins for not being affordable....

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the only hummer thats ever been worth purchasing is the good ol H1
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Having just turned in an H3 after a four year lease I couldn't agree more....blah. I replaced it with this, and I could not be more pleased.

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As to HK, they did what they felt they had to do. When someone enforces their property rights there is almost always a good reason. Litigation, especially this variety, is extremely expensive, and one doesn't take that hill unless they feel that they have to.
 
Hummer stole the 7 slot Jeep grill and won in cort...10/22 clones abound,perhaps Ruger should go after them.

HK going after all those companies...after so much time has passed...The impression I get is they are elitest,low and disapointing in the extream. Ip,please they should have made that move a long time ago in that case when the first squirtgun look-a-like came down the pike!

I have owned many HKs thru' the years and they are great no doubt,but,the more I hear about thier buisiness practices and customer survice the more I do not miss thier products.They are not THAT good and there are many other companies with products that do the same and better with superior PR and survice to back it up.Not to mention much less expensive.If you like HK great. I think they truely think we suck...and I am starting to hate them.

Just curious to know,with the basic Cetme/HK being more than 40 years old,how long does a pattent last?
 
The CETME was developed in Spain due to the fact Germany wasn't allowed to rearm after WWII. The Spaniards had German engineers as well as the German inventor of the roller locking system assisting in developing the rifle which took its cues from the German StG45. After the smoke cleared (so to speak) CETME approached HK to develop the 7.62x51 NATO version which became the G3 and eventually its civilian counterpart the HK91. Since the HK G3 and MP5 is still being produced (the G3 under license) I would assume their patents are still valid. HK has started manufacturing weapons in the US. As for folks hating HK it's beyond me as to their problem with the company. They aren't the most expensive firearms out there. HK pistols are well within the reach of American shooters. I own HK rifles as well as pistols. None have ever failed to operate as advertised. A company attempting to protect its intellectual property and patents doesn't make it evil. It's just good business sense.
 
Interesting about the continued patents.Still I have to disagree with it being good buisiness to go after other companies after so much time has passed.I do not for one moment beleave that anyone mistakes any of the clones as HK's.How many here think a Norinco M1a is on par with a Springfeild? I would also think,tho' not sure,that Colt's patent on the 1911 would still be valid.Many clones of that one.Going after airsofts,please,thats too far!

Anyhow,regardless of what camp any of us are in,I can say with great certainty that more and more shooters are turning their backs on HK for reasons that we all know.No arguement from me that they have great products but they are definately alienating many more folks than they are not.That is not good business.

When I looked in one of my safes last night I did find several HK's that I had forgotten I still had...an old SL-7,a 91A2 I bought new for 425.00 and a 94A3 also purchased new for 425.00,that was awhile back!And a USP-45 Tan frame. Back then HK customer service was awesome,today,well I think this thread speaks for itself and I would venture to bet more folks are going to turn away form HK by far than embrace them. Too bad to,because they used to be the S***. I will not be parting with the ones I still have but I doubt that I will be getting any new ones.Their "good buisiness" has left too much of a bitter taste for even myself to stomach and I used to be an avid HK-ophile.
 
Well, it looks like the prices haven't really gone up too much. If one were goint to get a GSG-5, what is the preferable model (the carbine or the SD) and why? I thought I read on the specs that the SD has a shorter barrel.

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i think Ashton Martin should do the same thing...

god i hate Ashton Martins for not being affordable....
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Is an Ashton Martin a cheap knockoff of an Aston Martin? Is that like when you went to chinatown in 1989 and saw a pair of Reeboks but they were spelled "Reebock" on the side? hahahaha. Maybe a guy named Ashton made his own version of an Aston Martin. I definitely think Aston Martin should sue Ashton Martin though...that car just looks too darn cose :D
 
Picked one up a couple of weeks ago, after hearing the news...I expect prices will climb quick, but I'm not selling. It shoots great, is reasonably accurate, handles well, and steps on HKs toes. :D That said, I really like HKs products. I think that they build the best pistols on the market and their rifles are pretty nice to boot.

Post No. 81: anyone notice that the cartridges are placed in the magazine backwards...I think that may compromise the "Accuracy, Reliability - No Compromise". ;)
 
Post No. 81: anyone notice that the cartridges are placed in the magazine backwards...I think that may compromise the "Accuracy, Reliability - No Compromise".
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That photo is a classic. There's a website somewhere with the story behind it. They actually published that photo at one point. I think it was on the cover of a catalog or something. And no...not on purpose.
 
That photo is a classic. There's a website somewhere with the story behind it. They actually published that photo at one point. I think it was on the cover of a catalog or something. And no...not on purpose.
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Not surprised...it didn't appear to have been Photoshoped. The advertising executives really don't have a clue do they?

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