What are you buying July 25, 1934?

You live in 1934. The National Firearm Act goes into effect tomorrow. You saved your pennies during the Depression.
Assuming you had the money, your first problem would be in finding guns that were commercially available. That pretty much narrows the choice down to the Thompson. In 1934, Auto Ordnance was still trying to sell the initial 1921 production run of 25,000 units. The fact is, there wasn't much demand. Criminals were stealing guns, not buying them over the counter.
 
Criminals were stealing guns, not buying them over the counter.
So they must have stolen them from law abiding automatic weapons owners, right? I'm sure you're not saying that as far back as 1934, gun laws were passed that had zero to do with stopping criminals? Nah, can't be.

Thompson all the way though, only because it would share ammo with my matching 1911's...with ivory grips of course.
 
Everything I could afford at the time.

Considering that the US was still struggling with the Great Depression most people were concentrating on neccessities and didn't have money to be buying automatic anything. My parents married in 1927 and my mother told me that they managed to live on only $64 one year. She said a dollar would buy a lot during the depression but no one had a dollar.
 
So they must have stolen them from law abiding automatic weapons owners, right?
No, the gangs were stealing weapons from police stations and National Guard armories. In 1934, private owners of Thompsons were mostly entities like the corporate owners of coal mines, who used them to quell labor unrest. So, unlike today, there was no real constituency that would have been harmed by clamping down on them. It hadn't yet occurred to anyone to collect machine guns. That explains why the NRA could support the NFA, once the provision on ordinary handguns had been removed.
I'm sure you're not saying that as far back as 1934, gun laws were passed that had zero to do with stopping criminals? Nah, can't be.
That's actually right. The NFA was "feel good" legislation. It had little to do with the decline in spectacular criminal gang activity in the 1930's. Better FBI work had more to do with that. Plus, the criminal activity was not as profitable once countermeasures were taken by banks, etc. I remember going to the bank with my parents around 1950. It was a damned fortress, with armed guards, hardened teller windows, etc. Not a welcoming place.

The NFA is being touted by the antigunners as a template for how to treat "assault weapons." They should study the real effects of the NFA and see that it's not the panacea that they think it is.
 
The NFA is being touted by the antigunners as a template for how to treat "assault weapons." They should study the real effects of the NFA and see that it's not the panacea that they think it is.
The people in actual power know it's not a panacea for what it's being promoted as. It's a gateway to the panacea that they actually want to accomplish. It has nothing to do with lowering the rate of crime. Said people are sinister, but they aren't stupid.
 
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Strange, obscure, pretty. I’m going with probably not a FA, but more in line with artillery pieces. The deer may be in poor condition, but field dressing may already be done.

And a ppsh41. Artillery crews have to have defensive arms.
PPSh41 didn't exist in 1934, though a handful of prototypes of its immediate predecessor, the PPD34 might have been kicking around the workshop by July.
 
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Colt Monitor
Not sure the Monitor was available in '34; from potentially faulty memory the 1918A1 did not even come out until '36.
And the Monitor was meant to be a way to shift colt-made BAR in the post '34 sales slump.
But, I could be remembering that wrong.

Bannerman had some spiffy stuff for sale on his island on the Hudson. And was not adverse to selling by the barge-load.

Now, he also was selling field and pack artillery, too. So, getting non-dummy ammo for those 37, 47, or 54mm guns was possible before NFA. Now, how much value that would have today--when it would need licensing--is debatable. Those Mauser mountain guns do have a pretty devout following in our modern times, but it's a very distinct minority, perhaps a hundred or so owners in the entire US. That lower demand wil lnot give the high prices of other Title II items.

A couple hundred bucks' worth of Standard Oil stock would be worth a lot more, a lot, lot more, today. Minnesota Mining & Manufacturing, E.I. du Pont de Nemours, International Business Machine, all wound up doing pretty good.over that time frame, too.
 
I graduated from Purdue with a mechanical engineering degree in 1973 and was making a very good income of $11,800. In 1973.
Thanks, but your statement is out of context to my post. The entirety of my post was that $200 (in 1934) was worth $4600 in 2023 inflation adjusted dollars. $200 was likely more than a year's income for most people, in 1934. The discussion is about the time frame of 1934, not 1971.
 
Recent sale $25,000 vs $200 then.
That's about a 540% (5.4X) increase in value over 89 years, which is a little over 6% per year.

Gold was about $36/oz in 1934, which is about $830 today. Today's spot price on gold is almost $2k/oz which is about 240% (2.4X) over 89 years.

The DOW was at 98.16 in 1934, and just under 33k at the end of 2022.That's 330x higher in 89 years.

Yeah there are better places to put your money, even without considering risk in a collectibles market. Imagine: all those guys who own $25k Thompsons, and next year the Supreme Court strikes down NFA and the Hughes Amendment based on text history, and tradition. Thompsons go from $25k to $2500 overnight.
 
Not sure the Monitor was available in '34; from potentially faulty memory the 1918A1 did not even come out until '36.
And the Monitor was meant to be a way to shift colt-made BAR in the post '34 sales slump.
But, I could be remembering that wrong.


Available in 1931 for $300. Around $6,800 in 2023 dollars and I would still pay it.
 
You live in 1934. The National Firearm Act goes into effect tomorrow. You saved your pennies during the Depression.

What's that one gun you're buying today?

"Unintended Consequences" by John Ross is a good read on this subject.

Most people didn't know that the law existed, or care. Before 1968, all you had to do was take the bolt out. At that point it wasn't a functional gun.

The prevailing attitude was "If anyone squawks, I'll pay the two C-notes and register it then." And you COULD do that.

Having said that, a BUNCH of guns were registered during the 1968 amnesty. More guns were registered in that 30-day period, than were registered 1934-1967.

As to what I'm buying, I'm heading to Abercrombie & Fitch. If I MUST buy a rifle (since this post is in the rifle forum) I'm going to order an M1917 from Griffin & Howe. Make mine a .300 H&H with G&H side mount. Whatever scope the salesman recommends.
 
I wouldn’t buy something, without being very wealthy, knowing that a future potential buyer (for my gun) would not want to risk a prison sentence.
I thought the intent of this thread would be to buy the gun before the effective date of the NFA, and then register it for free during the initial amnesty period. This would save you $200 times the number of guns purchased.
a BUNCH of guns were registered during the 1968 amnesty. More guns were registered in that 30-day period, than were registered 1934-1967.
The more important number are the guns that were not registered during the November 1968 amnesty. I was 23 years old at the time, and although I did not have any NFA weapons, I knew people who did. I got the impression that most of them did not take advantage of the amnesty. In discussions, the feeling was that registration was just the first step to confiscation. (Some things never change.) I'll bet the non-registrants later regretted their decision.
The entirety of my post was that $200 (in 1934) was worth $4600 in 2023 inflation adjusted dollars.
How would you feel about indexing the tax to inflation if the Hughes Amendment was lifted in exchange?
 
So they must have stolen them from law abiding automatic weapons owners, right? I'm sure you're not saying that as far back as 1934, gun laws were passed that had zero to do with stopping criminals? Nah, can't be.

Thompson all the way though, only because it would share ammo with my matching 1911's...with ivory grips of course.

Mostly stolen from police actually, since average civilians didn’t want them, couldn’t afford them, nor did they have much use for them. But police could justify as owning the latest hardware, paid for by the taxpayer, to fight crime.

We tend to think they’re cool today mostly because of Hollywood gangster movies and WWII movies.
 
How would you feel about indexing the tax to inflation if the Hughes Amendment was lifted in exchange?

I don't have any skin in this game as I'm not really interested in full auto. (Been there, done that. In the Army. Didn't see the attraction.) But in general, this is a poison pill proposition. Yeah, you get the registry reopened, so now new guns can be produced, but it still leaves full auto in the sole realm of the wealthy. Not many people today can afford the tax stamp at $4600 plus the price of the gun-you'd still be looking at $7k-8k for most full auto pieces. I think it would be a hollow victory, at best, but, in the spirit of incrementalism, a win is a win.

I think the bigger reason to reject that idea is that the government shouldn't be allowed to tax the exercise of a Constitutional right. If the 2nd amendment doesn't protect full-auto guns, ad the anti gun crowd can muster the votes in Congress (I believe they could), then ban them and be done with it. But the NFA tax stamp is parallel to a poll tax on voting, and it should never have been allowed to stand.
 
Inflation is a funny thing to try to play with in this context.

In 1934, my father was 25 years old. He was a working cowboy and the windmill foreman for a big ranch company in West Texas. He was working for $1/day + room & board (even if the room was sometimes a bedroll under a mesquite) and was saving money. So, $200 was a lot of money in practical terms.

With 20/20 hindsight, I would have picked up a M1921 Thompson. But only with the perspective of knowing what the next 89 years held.
 
I wasn’t there, but this was purchased by my great grandfather within about a year of that date (I first see it mentioned in his 1935 reloading notes).
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It’s a Springfield action with a Niedner barrel in 257 Roberts. The scope is the “new” one from a few years later. That rifle killed a lot of hawks and crows with 85-87 grain bullets over IMR 3031.

They weren’t as badly hit by the depression (he was a civil engineer for the city of Atlanta and a National Guard officer). Still, no full auto (he wound up getting plenty of that in 1942 after being activated). The closest to full auto they ever had was a J.C. Higgins semi-auto 22 with an 18 round tube for wing-shooting crows that would float just out of shotgun range.
 
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