My good friend in the Army was on leave last month, and he was forced to shoot someone in self-defense. He is not as shook up about it as you might think(go figure,we were in Iraq for over a year) and he had to use his roomate's mossberg 500 12 ga. It was loaded with #4 shot 2 3/4 in. game loads. He had to shoot twice. At about 10 feet. One shot hit his shoulder, and one hit him somewhat center mass, about 3 in below the sternum. Not lethal. But it knocked the BG down, and paramedics saved his life. It was surprising to me that the 12 gauge at 10-12 feet left an entry wound the size of a golf ball. Maybe a little smaller. I was thinking it would be much bigger! And NONE of the shot went through the BG. It penetrated far enough to reach major vessels, and some organs, but didn't shoot clean through. He will need to have a colonostomy bag for life now, at least that'[s what the local police said. Scary. All over a misunderstanding involving money, the BG apparently didn't know that the guy who owed him money had moved out 3 weeks before. He was armed. And my friend had no charges filed on him. Yet, anyway. The feds said he can expect a civil suit, and some of the local LEO's told him that he should have "sealed the deal" given the BG's criminal history....