Why buy and/or carry so many bullets?

[tbutera2112]

the one time in my life i had been in a situation that i felt threatened enough that i would have used a gun, i didnt have one on me because i was under age

i was assaulted/mugged by 3 men late at night

if every situation was a 1 on 1 attack, i would feel confident with almost any gun.....but realistically, if im facing 3 or more people, i will feel better with 19rds than i would with 10, or even 5/6 if i was using a revolver

better to have and not need than to need and not have

 

[Sav .250]

That mind set could some day whined up in the head of an anti gunner.

 

[USAF_Vet]

You assume it hasn't already

 

[tbutera2112]

Also, I would hope that if I am ever involved in a fight for my life, that I am lucky enough to have a few rounds to spare after the fight is over. Can you imagine how naked you would feel if you were just forced to shoot an assailant who was trying to kill you or your loved ones, and, not knowing whether there are more threats, you are standing there holding an empty pistol waiting for the police to arrive? No thank you.

umm...if i was just attacked and unsure if theres any other threats in the area, im getting the hell out of there.

1. flee to safety
2. call police and report what happened

they may have you return to the scene after they secure it, they may come to your location and get you, or they may ask you to come to the station.....but sticking around and "waiting" is a horrible idea

 

[Steel Talon]

Nothing can ever remove the importance of getting your front sight on target before pulling the trigger.

 

[rodregier]

A - you can't miss fast enough

B - you only need one encounter with a threat "in-depth" to spoil the rest of your life.

 

[Brockak47]

personal preference

 

[Kleanbore]

If one wished to tote around countless magazines filled to capacity, then so be it.

I wouldn't trust him very much, however, and I sure wouldn't hire him if I could get by with not doing so. Speaks to judgment.

Kinda like that fellow who put an orange tip on an AK-47 to make it look like an AirSoft gun, put on a camo outfit, and strutted around in parks trying to get himself arrested. Nothing unlawful, just an extreme pattern of behavior indicating a lack of balance. An untightened fastener somewhere, one might reasonably infer.

One can explain the logic of carrying a thirteen shot firearm and an extra magazine, not that we all do it, and one can probably explain having a backup gun, not that it is common practice for civilians, but there are limits.

 

[ByAnyMeans]

NYPD's average hit percentage is about 25%. If you put this with the adage that a handgun is not a one shot stopper than I count at least two rounds per "person needing stoppage". On average a five or six shot firearm gives you the ability to stop 1.25 to 1.50 bad guys. A 8 /10 shot firearm stops 2/2.25 bad guys. Does this mean my statistical analysis is valid, no more than your 2-3 shots per encounter. As Mark Twain said there is "lies, damn lies, and statistics".


Also:


*It could also be said that if you only need two and don't want any just in case rounds why not carry a two shot derringer? Do you "spray and pray" with your eight shot high capacity gun.


*Man up and learn to fight with your hands. Percentages are so very slim that you will never need and your not Rambo so it's just gonna get taken away from you. I guess some need a handicap and just cannot cut it.


*Only the unrefined, brutish and frankly stupid people need to ever resort to violence. There is a chance of "problems" but anybody with brains only need to outsmart the brutish stupid person that had to resort to violence causing your problem in the first place.


As they say opinions are like.... never mind cause what do I know, granted occasionally I carry a fifteen round magazine in my Glock but my usual carry is a G26 with ten rounds or KT P3AT with seven rounds.

 

[Fishslayer]

Blindjim should run for California State Legislature. He'd fit right in...

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Because it's better to have em and not need em than need em and not have em.

 

[ForumSurfer]

I trade and sell quite often. It is attitudes like that which keep me reluctant to sell off my last ar-15 despite not particularly enjoying the platform. Part of me screams to keep at least one and several magazines because somebody is going to want to ban it one day.

 

[gym]

It's a losing batle having cnversations like this. We carried 5 shot revolvers and ppk's back in the 70's, and no one caried an extra mag, "maybe a few radicals". But when this hi cap stuff came out "starting wth the Para frames, everyone had to have 30 rounds all of a sudden. From a person who actualy has been in the house when a gun was fired, it's deafining, you will never survive 3 or 4 people shooting in an enclosed space, and unless you are dirty harry, you will be lucky to get off a shot or two.
Outdoors things are different. more room, less noise and stress. but these thing are usually over in a few seconds. Most times as soon as a gun goes off everyone jumps out a door or window. I have a sherriff friend ," reteired", who said it the best way, he said I tried to dig a hole through the bottom of my cruiser. They were carrying moder 19's then.
I just came bach from shooting y 1911, and I could not imagine being in the open and having 3 or more people using 30 rounds when they could be running away. Those hydroshocks make a lot of noise.
Try a home invasion with 5 guys in a studio, and two innocents, 7 people with 7 guns, 2 shotguns, in 600 sq ft, After that one, I stopped believing it makes a heck of a difference, everyone wanted to get to the door,period. No one got shot. they all just wanted out.
By the way the new remington, is an ass kicker. I shot 1-2 inch groups out of the box, including double taps, "nice trigger" needs a wilson or mc,cormick mag, I taped the loaded mag and 3 rounds fell out, lol, The trick is if you can ge the first shot off and everyone sees that person fall, it usualy stops, unless you are dealing with trained special op type guys. Most longhair undercover ex nam, cops, carried 3 guns, at least a 357, a 45 and a derringer or another snubby.Life is really crazy.The guy I bought this 1911 gave me a 10 and a 20 roung mag just because he was a nice guy.Man that mag in the fullsize remington is like hving a carbine.

 

[JohnBT]

"one can probably explain having a backup gun, not that it is common practice for civilians"

I thought civilian police officers carried backups. I don't know about military police officers.

 

[USAF_Vet]

I thought civilian police officers carried backups. I don't know about military police officers.

not all cops are allowed to carry a back up. It's pretty much a departmental thing. Some i've seen allow, others don't.

Military police are only allowed to carry what they are issued. Personally owned firearms are werboten for duty use.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I carry a .40 with two spare mags equalling 33 rounds. I doubt I would ever need more than 4 but no one has ever complained about having too much ammo in combat.

Plus they help balance my belt!

 

[blindjim]

Spray & pray! lol

Very good. I had forgotten about that one.

“Enormity becomes ordinary when prevailed upon by desperation.”

There’s some outstanding posts here. Thanks. Apparently some take things to heart too quickly, and I’m not attacking anyone’s notions, ideals, principles, or preferences. As stated I’m wondering why …. That’s all.

Several said just why and I thank them for it.

I apologize for the attempts to interject some humor into it, to those who missed the point of it all…. Or are too thin skinned to see it as I do… or that I failed in it’s execution. Sorry.

This ain’tpersonal.

As for my verbage and it’s construction, oil well. It isl what it isl… One sentence seldom forms an insightful querry, or adequately supports or rebuffs one.

Regularly, 25 words or less are for cereal box contests, not free speech and thoughtful minds.

OK.. I’m not hating on hi cap guns. Nor am I hating on those who carry them.

I apologize to anyone who took exception to any portion of my post. I did give this some thought… and felt it might be one of the more meaty threads given the passions of some 2nd amendment devotees and what I view as a steady clamor recently, for rounds and more rounds in their weapon of choice.

I simply feel something is being overlooked by the concealed carry crowd that plays a huge part in why anyone would want to carry a weapon on their person in the first place. It is something that’s happened to me 4 times so far in my history, the result of which just about negates the fact I had a weapon on me or near by at the time.

I refer to it as:

Da Drop!


Cleanbore
What is your response once the perp shoves a 38 into your ear, belly, back of the head or openly displays it standing 5ft away from you nervously demanding your goods or your life? He’s standing there screaming at you to hurry! Cussing you and your lineage. Nervously shaking his piece and you can see his knuckles tightening and his eyes widening!

What do you do?

You gonna reach for that CCW piece of yours?

It’s doubtful.

Who here would?

That’s my argument aginst uber loaded pistols that will likely sit in their holsters. I guess, they might stop a slug or two though.

If someone wishes to speak of averages, average that one out. Averages aren’t honest…. Real world experiences. Averages are the whole of extremes and routines as they were reported…. Later… after the fact…. And then perceived and accounted for by some other party at some still later date that is totally removed from those circumstances.

For me to carry a concealed weapon I’d just about have to figure to be on guard the whole time… probably with my hand in the weapon. Otherwise, and perhaps even then, once a bad guy has his/her gun out it could well be game set match despite your fiddy round Glock stealthily hidden away inside your garb.

So to me… in my mind and based on past trials and truths, who’s faster on the draw has played a very, very, very, significant role in what happens thereafter, if it’s not indeed, the final say itself.

One can add this to the average bucket, once I disarmed the bad guy with a gun, 3 other times the guy with the gun just got my cooperation. All four events were criminal assaults. Four other times I’ve taken away knives, and not come away completely unscathed.

I find it curious too no one seems to talk about the “What are ya gonna do now that a gun is in your ….. being held by a bad guy?”…. instead it’s rounds and more rounds.

Truth be told if you can or want to tote 250 rounds, that is fine by me.

I just question why….. that’s all. Personally, I merely can not adequately support such a precept and would like to examine it a bit more from those who can support it beyond simple preference or constitutional right…. That’s all.

Then too there is that part of me that says if nothing is happening, make something happen… so now there’s a discussion on the ideas behind carrying guns with enormous capacities.

Maybe I should really change my mind and get guns which hold 15+ cartridges…. ??

 

[goon]

I simply feel something is being overlooked by the concealed carry crowd that plays a huge part in why anyone would want to carry a weapon on their person in the first place. It is something that’s happened to me 4 times so far in my history, the result of which just about negates the fact I had a weapon on me or near by at the time.

You should have just said this in the first place - it explains a lot. I think you should start a thread in the strategies and tactics forum regarding this type of scenario.

 

[Kleanbore]

Blindjim should run for California State Legislature. He'd fit right in...

Let's not get personal. We have rules against that.

In all fairness, there are many people who (1) labor under the impression that, in a self defense situation, they will have the time, after having drawn from concealment, to shoot accurately at someone who is trying to kill them; (2) have not considered the likelihood that an assailant is very likely to be moving; (3) have not taken into account the extent to which the physiological and psychological stresses of being put in mortal danger will severely degrade their skills; (4) believe that a single shot from a handgun is likely to stop a violent criminal actor quickly and effectively the way it always does on television; (5) are not aware that a significant portion of violent attacks do involve more than one assailant; (6) have not thought very much about what they would do should the firearm jam; (7) have not been taught how to rapidly change magazines to clear a jam; and/or (8) believe that the fact that the likelihood that they will ever have to use their firearms at all is extremely remote somehow means that, should an attack actually occur, that attack is not likely to be extremely violent.

For those people, it is probably very doubtful that many of them have ever seen a compelling reason for carrying a firearm with a double column magazine, much less considered carrying an extra magazine.

I am a good example of that, myself. I have been shooting handguns for about five decades, and I never even considered owning, much less carrying, a semi-automatic pistol with a double column magazine until a little more than two years ago. Frankly, it had always seemed like overkill to me.

And I would have considered myself quite adequately prepared with a 1911 without a spare magazine.

This seems like a good time to remind everyone that what one carries is likely to be the least important factor in getting though a bad situation safely.

Mindset, skillset, toolset, in that order, as the saying goes.

And my other favorite is that the only good fight is the one that never happens.

However, the best plans and intentions can fail, and I decided some time ago that I prefer carrying a double column semi automatic pistol (I carry ten rounds in it, though it will hold twelve) to my five shot J-frame.

 

[oldbear]

Why buy and/or carry so many bullets?

IMHO, several reasons: 1- you can, 2- peer group pressure, 3- a misguided (?) sense of feeling prepared, 4- the slow erosion of our civilized society.

Two or three years ago I never carried a reload and thought that anyone who did was a little paranoid. After the growing number of unprovoked gang attacks in what were thought to be safe areas I'm no longer sure that being a little paranoid is such a bag thing.

 

[AnonymousDefender]

umm...if i was just attacked and unsure if theres any other threats in the area, im getting the hell out of there.

1. flee to safety
2. call police and report what happened

they may have you return to the scene after they secure it, they may come to your location and get you, or they may ask you to come to the station.....but sticking around and "waiting" is a horrible idea

Agreed, for the most part, I exagerated a bit for effect. The fact is, you are still going to have to un-ass the area where there may be additional threats. There may or may not be other reasons which slow down or prevent your retreat. Not being out of ammunition in the event that you do survive a lethal encounter gives you more options and a higher degree of ability to respond to additional threats.

 

[Kleanbore]

I strongly suggest that everyone buy this DVD.

I attended a class under Massad Ayoob at Rangemaster a couple of weeks ago. Tom Givens came in presented a thumbnail summary of the experiences of Rangemaster grads who have been involved in real-world attacks, and he gave the following two top items of advice (1) carry your firearm (their graduates who have been killed were not carrying at the time) and (2) carry a "real gun"--average shot count means nothing, and reality tells us that higher capacity may well be needed.

I also strongly recommend that anyone who can do so avail himself of some relevant hight-performance pistol shooting.

 

[mgmorden]

better to have and not need than to need and not have

That's the basic essence of it IMHO.

A bad marksman is a bad shot whether you're toting 6 rounds in your gun or 30. A good marksman doesn't become a bad shot merely because he's carrying more rounds than the sacred six.

Somehow I don't think there's a lot of people sitting around with 14-15 rounds left in their gun after a situation occurs kicking themselves saying "If only I'd have known I wouldn't have needed those extra bullets I could have saved another $12 in ammo!?!?!".

 

[Haywood]

I don't carry high cap guns. I carry Three Five shooters. Do you feel better now?

 

[Bobson]

+1 on TLDR.

You can attribute it to basic human nature. We all want more of everything we think is good, without considering when enough is enough. More money, more freedom, more stuff, more accuracy, more bullets, etc, etc. I made a thread about this the other day, but focused on "enough MOA (for most people's needs)." Not surprisingly, many disagreed that such a concept could even exist.

Face it - if you have or know of a way to supply the average consumer with more of just about anything, do it, and you'll probably become a very wealthy man.