Why I Think Open Carry Isn't Wiser than Concealed Carry (In Most Instances/For Most People)

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For this, I am pro choice. I think for OC the major impact is emotional. When I see it, I check the others around tosee their faces. Some faces look to say "What an a-hole", usually men, others have true concern on their faces, usually women. Kids see it and telltheir parent, "look...." and usually point.

I translate the emotional reaction to the type of support gets at the voting booth. And for those that say noone even notices, you are wrong, Noone wants to make eye contact with you, that's why YOU don't notice.

Remember, I'm pro choice, whatever that my be.
I don't doubt the above post is an accurate explanation of people's reactions. However, wonder if open carry were to be practiced more commonly if it would be de-stigmatized. People react to something unusual, not something routine. If men walk around holding hands, hugging, and making other public displays of affection for each other, does it evoke stares, shock, or nausea from bystanders? Once upon a time it must have evoked outrage. I live in a rural town where men doing those things could certainly expect to be awkward to do so. A short distance away is a tourist area where that stuff is routine, as is public pot-smoking, drunkenness, and sexual promiscuity. The people who enjoy those things have succeeded in making those things routine, accepted, and unprovoking. There are a few places where they've even managed to make so-called "cisgendered heterosexuals" stigmatized. It seems to me that a practice like open carry that has never had a tradition of being regarded as immoral would be easy to normalize if it were practiced enough. It's not the cause for which I'm an activist. If another person were to have a desire to celebrate their open carry, I'll be happy for them.
 
I guess Rosa Parks should have just followed the bus driver's directions.

The ownership and carrying of arms is an inalienable right. Simple as that. Same as the First Amendment. Some people say stupid stuff it is their right to say stupid stuff and the public's right to ridicule them for saying stupid stuff.

Just because OC scares the anti-gunners, WHO CARES.

They don't want you to carry or own arms, PERIOD. appeasing them by staying in the closet and hiding ain't gonna win them over.

Stop being afraid and start being loud and proud as a gun owner.
Instead of loud and proud I prefer courteous, quiet, polite and helpful.
 
And humble!

Open unloaded carry was legal in CA, was...

A certain group thought it would be a great idea to start meeting up, OCing this way.

As you can guess, they got the reactions they knew they would get. Once Sacramento got wind of UOC, yep, banned it!

I wish to thank all the idiots on Calguns that thought this was a good idea. I haven't been a member there since or looked at the sight.

OC/CC shouldn't be an issue and I'm with the do as you please crowd. When you intentionally bring attention to it by pressing the issue, you might FAFO by the people that hate you.
 
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Didn't know the location. Want me to post one in the USA?
Go ahead, others may find it interesting.
I'm thinking I could find a vid that would contradict it though, if I wanted to invest the time in a search, but don't.
Thanks for reading/responding to my post.
Know that you are wasting your wisdom on me...

Edit: I had saved a link to this one same guy posted it and it's in another south American country (Venezuela):
I know that perp has not snuck into the U.S., as he was dead right there.

Check out John Correia's other "lesson to be learned" vids:
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Go ahead, others may find it interesting.
I'm thinking I could find a vid that would contradict it though, if I wanted to invest the time in a search, but don't.
Thanks for reading/responding to my post.
Know that you are wasting your wisdom on me...
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Here are a few. I imagine some of these have been posted on the forum before, given that there are over 900 threads on this subject here (that's not hyperbole, BTW. I did a search. There are literally over 900 threads on this forum with "open carry" in the title :D)

Open Carry Gun Stolen Off Carrier’s Hip, And Prevention Tips
Chatty Smoker Steals Gun From Open-Carry Guy
Man wearing handgun open carry robbed in Newport News, police say
Non-Concealed Carry Gun Stolen in Wal-Mart Bathroom – Because it Wasn’t Concealed
Whitehall: Man loses gun, lottery tickets in scuffle outside store
Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun

Man attempts to shoot man at Fairmont convenience store
Gun Control Supporter Steals Concealed Carrier’s Gun, Shoots Him
61-year-old man shoots teenager trying to steal his gun on Detroit’s west side
Open Carrier Shot At By Passing Vehicle, Returns Fire
This is Why You MUST Have Retention on an Open Carry Firearm
This Concealed Carrier In Texas Got Robbed Of His Gun By The World’s Dumbest Criminal
Open-Carrying Firearms Instructor Attacked; Kills Assailant

Teen homicide suspects have criminal histories
Retired Officer Killed in Armed Robbery
Stolen gun at Walmart causes panic
Caught on Cam: Customer Fights Off Robber Inside Deli, Shot Fired
Gresham man robbed of pistol at gunpoint while exercising ‘open carry’ right
Man Has Shotgun Ripped Out Of His Hands Investigating Noise Outside His Home

Shocking moment man is disarmed by another patron and shot with his own gun
Suspect grabs gun from man openly carrying weapons
Armed robbery suspects sought for crime near 38th and Hampton
Motorist robbed of her own gun
Man seen stealing gun from victim killed in motorcycle crash
Man Shot And Killed With His Own Gun
Man Fights Dummy To Retain His Tool
Home video shows teen stealing gun from Wichita man’s holster as he works on car
Open Carrier Targeted? WA State
Unaware Defender Is Lucky Enough
Open Carrier Robbed of His Gun at Gunpoint
Seattle Protest Open Carry Fail
Police search for teen accused of stealing man’s gun, firing shots at him
Man shot by officers after he shot at passing car
Open Carrier Has Gun Snatched At Convenience Store
Security guard released from custody after killing a man at a gas station
Man Open-Carrying in Alabama Walmart Has Gun Snatched and a Shot Fired at Him
Individual Open Carrying AR-15 Gets Robbed at Gunpoint in St. Louis
Customer’s gun stolen while paying at Columbus gas station
17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot
Gun Disarm Surveillance Video Reveals so Much
Police: 37-year-old man killed after gun stolen from holster while waiting in line at gas station
Man’s gun stolen from holster while waiting in gas station line
Another Open Carry Fail—Criminal Takes Gun From Man in Columbus, Ohio
 
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You do you is my thought on the topic. For me, with very few exceptions, I will not open carry.
I will say that there is a line which would be the look at me morons walking around town with a rifle slung on their shoulder.
Why do you (seemingly) prefer to concealed carry rather than open carry, the majority of the time?
 
If I am in national forest land rifle shooting, fishing, hiking, camping in remote mountain areas I will open carry a .357.
As for conceal carry, like others have mentioned, I prefer not to advertise that I am armed when amongst the masses.
When I am in remote areas, I open carry so that the few people I might come across know that I am armed and will rethink any ideas of ill will they might have towards me and also because it is much more comfortable than conceal carrying.
 
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I hate dogmatic answers to questions like this.

I mostly open carry. That's because I leave my house once every few days at best, and open carry around the house/property works for me.

I also live in a fairly rural area, and while I'll generally untuck before heading into a gas station or grocery store, I don't always. Most don't notice; those who do don't care - again, for the most part. Of course I'm also big, mostly disagreeable (my wife thinks I look angry when out in public), aware, polite to all, and work hard to maintain situational awareness.

Of course, I live in Georgia where 20% of our population has a carry permit, and attitudes are different in urban areas than where I live.

But I also take issue with the "if a bad guy sees your gun they'll take you out first argument." Think this through: you and your buddy are going to rob a gas station. You take a quick look around and see a police officer walk in. Do you shoot him in the head as your first move, or complete your purchase, walk outside, reassess, and maybe try again in 10 minutes? What if that isn't a cop that walked in but a biker with a 1911 on his hip, or a trucker with a big 'ol revolver. What changes? Your goal is to "make crime pay," and that means not getting into a gunfight when all you want to do is steal $700 easy dollars. You wait until it's safer, or you pick another location.

Same with one of the recent school shooters. That individual left their first target because security was sighted - the presence of one armed individual stopped a church shooting.

There are no easy, binary, black/white or right/wrong answers here.

You've got lots of choices when you choose to go armed. Choose something that makes sense for you, and adapt as necessary. When I do go to Atlanta I tend to carry higher-capacity firearms and I do conceal there, but that's the exception. Mostly I'm an all-day every-day open carrier. Of course I've got a pistol range about 100 yards from my house too.
 
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I also live in a fairly rural area, and while I'll generally untuck before heading into a gas station or grocery store, I don't always. Most don't notice; those who do don't care - again, for the most part. Of course I'm also big, mostly disagreeable (my wife thinks I look angry when out in public), aware, polite to all, and work hard to maintain situational awareness.


^^^.....this, for the most part, is my scenario. Most of the time when going down to the cabin to work, I am wearing bibs. No belt for a holster, no easy way to conceal and be able to draw quickly, other than a pocket carry. I usually wear a 1911 in a shoulder holster.
For this, I am pro choice. I think for OC the major impact is emotional. When I see it, I check the others around tosee their faces. Some faces look to say "What an a-hole", usually men, others have true concern on their faces, usually women. Kids see it and telltheir parent, "look...." and usually point.




I think the major emotional impact is from folks like you. You claim to be "pro choice", yet make condescending and belittling remarks about those who chose to OC. You are the one staring with the concerned look on your face. I can't count the number of times I stopped at a gas station and had a woman, with kids, come up and tell me "nice gun!". Generally, if anything else is said, it is a conversation starter, and a positive one. Odds are, it's because of my geography, and the attitude of folks living there, but that's what so many here don't take into account. They live where they feel the need to hide their gun ownership from their neighbors.
I translate the emotional reaction to the type of support gets at the voting booth. And for those that say noone even notices, you are wrong, Noone wants to make eye contact with you, that's why YOU don't notice.


Again, more condescension. More posing on the pedestal. You are so busy looking for reaction from others, you are loosing sight of what you really need to be aware of in the situation. What's going on around you. Observing the situation and avoiding issues, instead of concentrating on folks or situations, that are not a threat, because you want to reinforce your theory . Those reactions you refer to, that I see from folks around here, come when someone with a hood and dreadlocks walks into the gas station. Or the big burly biker with full length arm tats. Or the guy with his pants down around his knees with his hat on sideways. These are the people folks around here avoid eye contact with. Not the grey haired grandpa wearing bibs and a 1911. They generally will gravitate towards me when those others walk in.
 
If I am in national forest land rifle shooting, fishing, hiking, camping in remote mountain areas I will open carry a .357.
If you are openly carrying and hardly anybody sees you, then that's equivalent to concealed carrying in the city.

I'll go further and say that if you're openly carrying in an area where gun ownership is universal, again, you're practically invisible.

These sorts of situations are not really what this thread is about. What we're really talking about here is open or concealed carrying in a mixed area. And then the key issue is public perception and public relations.
 
I've been hearing this exact same argument for 15+ years and no one has over been able to cite any sources that show proof of it making you a target, higher chances of your gun being taken, etc. In fact the only news story I've seen during that time about an OCer other than being hassled by the police for no reason...

What you may or may not remember seeing is of no value here.

See posts 39 and 83.

Or just try to put yourself in the position of a violent criminal and think.
 
If you are openly carrying and hardly anybody sees you, then that's equivalent to concealed carrying in the city.

I'll go further and say that if you're openly carrying in an area where gun ownership is universal, again, you're practically invisible.

These sorts of situations are not really what this thread is about. What we're really talking about here is open or concealed carrying in a mixed area. And then the key issue is public perception and public relations.
The OP specifically asked me a question, I answered it.
 
And then the key issue is public perception and public relations.
Yes.

Some years ago, my summer shirt tail moved enough when I was reaching for something on a shelf to momentarily expose the grip of the pistol in my IWB holster.

I learned after the fact that a temporary store worker home from college for the summer saw it, freaked out, and ran to the manerger to report it. He was fine with it.

She went home and never returned to work.

I prefer to avoid such incidents.
 
Here are a few. I imagine some of these have been posted on the forum before, given that there are over 900 threads on this subject here (that's not hyperbole, BTW. I did a search. There are literally over 900 threads on this forum with "open carry" in the title :D)

Open Carry Gun Stolen Off Carrier’s Hip, And Prevention Tips
Chatty Smoker Steals Gun From Open-Carry Guy
Man wearing handgun open carry robbed in Newport News, police say
Non-Concealed Carry Gun Stolen in Wal-Mart Bathroom – Because it Wasn’t Concealed
Whitehall: Man loses gun, lottery tickets in scuffle outside store
Unarmed man attempts to rob EMU student of holstered gun

Man attempts to shoot man at Fairmont convenience store
Gun Control Supporter Steals Concealed Carrier’s Gun, Shoots Him
61-year-old man shoots teenager trying to steal his gun on Detroit’s west side
Open Carrier Shot At By Passing Vehicle, Returns Fire
This is Why You MUST Have Retention on an Open Carry Firearm
This Concealed Carrier In Texas Got Robbed Of His Gun By The World’s Dumbest Criminal
Open-Carrying Firearms Instructor Attacked; Kills Assailant

Teen homicide suspects have criminal histories
Retired Officer Killed in Armed Robbery
Stolen gun at Walmart causes panic
Caught on Cam: Customer Fights Off Robber Inside Deli, Shot Fired
Gresham man robbed of pistol at gunpoint while exercising ‘open carry’ right
Man Has Shotgun Ripped Out Of His Hands Investigating Noise Outside His Home

Shocking moment man is disarmed by another patron and shot with his own gun
Suspect grabs gun from man openly carrying weapons
Armed robbery suspects sought for crime near 38th and Hampton
Motorist robbed of her own gun
Man seen stealing gun from victim killed in motorcycle crash
Man Shot And Killed With His Own Gun
Man Fights Dummy To Retain His Tool
Home video shows teen stealing gun from Wichita man’s holster as he works on car
Open Carrier Targeted? WA State
Unaware Defender Is Lucky Enough
Open Carrier Robbed of His Gun at Gunpoint
Seattle Protest Open Carry Fail
Police search for teen accused of stealing man’s gun, firing shots at him
Man shot by officers after he shot at passing car
Open Carrier Has Gun Snatched At Convenience Store
Security guard released from custody after killing a man at a gas station
Man Open-Carrying in Alabama Walmart Has Gun Snatched and a Shot Fired at Him
Individual Open Carrying AR-15 Gets Robbed at Gunpoint in St. Louis
Customer’s gun stolen while paying at Columbus gas station
17-year-old steals gun from man at Dunkin’, shoots him to death in parking lot
Gun Disarm Surveillance Video Reveals so Much
Police: 37-year-old man killed after gun stolen from holster while waiting in line at gas station
Man’s gun stolen from holster while waiting in gas station line
Another Open Carry Fail—Criminal Takes Gun From Man in Columbus, Ohio
Now, how about whipping up another list of the stories about those that saw a gun and didn't care.
 
I hate dogmatic answers to questions like this.

I mostly open carry. That's because I leave my house once every few days at best, and open carry around the house/property works for me.

I also live in a fairly rural area, and while I'll generally untuck before heading into a gas station or grocery store, I don't always. Most don't notice; those who do don't care - again, for the most part. Of course I'm also big, mostly disagreeable (my wife thinks I look angry when out in public), aware, polite to all, and work hard to maintain situational awareness.

Of course, I live in Georgia where 20% of our population has a carry permit, and attitudes are different in urban areas than where I live.

But I also take issue with the "if a bad guy sees your gun they'll take you out first argument." Think this through: you and your buddy are going to rob a gas station. You take a quick look around and see a police officer walk in. Do you shoot him in the head as your first move, or complete your purchase, walk outside, reassess, and maybe try again in 10 minutes? What if that isn't a cop that walked in but a biker with a 1911 on his hip, or a trucker with a big 'ol revolver. What changes? Your goal is to "make crime pay," and that means not getting into a gunfight when all you want to do is steal $700 easy dollars. You wait until it's safer, or you pick another location.

Same with one of the recent school shooters. That individual left their first target because security was sighted - the presence of one armed individual stopped a church shooting.

There are no easy, binary, black/white or right/wrong answers here.

You've got lots of choices when you choose to go armed. Choose something that makes sense for you, and adapt as necessary. When I do go to Atlanta I tend to carry higher-capacity firearms and I do conceal there, but that's the exception. Mostly I'm an all-day every-day open carrier. Of course I've got a pistol range about 100 yards from my house too.
Focusing on your "what changes?" question regarding an open carrying police officer vs an armed non-law enforcement/security personnel, but just a general open carrier, I have a few answers off the top of my head.

) The (potential) huge difference(s) in resources/ back-up capabilities. While there may be just one police officer present, this person represents a team/force of people. With certain privileges, backed by the law. The connections/resources this person has in the case of a altercation, likely dwarfs what you, me, or any other "average citizen" who doesn't have an armed force on standby. So the chance for a criminal to "look the other way" or "reassess/divert" their game plan, I'd like to think, is much higher if they have to go up against a police officer rather than an average (albeit armed!) "Joe schmo".

) The consequences. Kind of related to my first point, but I'm quite sure that the penalty (charges/sentencing) of attempted murder, or murder of an officer/law enforcement personnel would be harsher than if non-law enforcement was the victim. Criminals might figure that the likelihood that they'll get caught for killing an officer might be higher than a "regular person", so to speak. The effort put in by that town/city/state/jurisdiction/whatever's police department might be more intense considering "one of their own" was a victim. Also, while it might not be true, many people tend to view police officers as highly trained and proficient shooters, better than an average armed citizen.

Also, while some do, criminals very well may not think things through, or in the most logical way. Especially if intoxicated. If they want to bad enough, or if they know that a certain place is a "jackpot", that open carrying biker just might have to become a victim, in the criminals mind.

Question of my own, what prompts your decision to switch to concealed carry when in Atlanta, considering it seems you prefer open carry?
 
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^^^.....this, for the most part, is my scenario. Most of the time when going down to the cabin to work, I am wearing bibs. No belt for a holster, no easy way to conceal and be able to draw quickly, other than a pocket carry. I usually wear a 1911 in a shoulder holster.




Again, more condescension. More posing on the pedestal. You are so busy looking for reaction from others, you are loosing sight of what you really need to be aware of in the situation. What's going on around you. Observing the situation and avoiding issues, instead of concentrating on folks or situations, that are not a threat, because you want to reinforce your theory . Those reactions you refer to, that I see from folks around here, come when someone with a hood and dreadlocks walks into the gas station. Or the big burly biker with full length arm tats. Or the guy with his pants down around his knees with his hat on sideways. These are the people folks around here avoid eye contact with. Not the grey haired grandpa wearing bibs and a 1911. They generally will gravitate towards me when those others walk in.
Ehh.... I don't want to get wrapped up in nonsense or get off track from the topic of open carrying and (in my opinion) what potential risks/disadvantages come along with it. So, I'm definitely gonna try to be careful with this replying to this comment. And I'd urge you to be careful too.

Anyways, are you saying that open carry is riskier for "certain people", or people that look a certain way? Is it a safe assumption that there is a stigma/stereotype to how the average "open carrier" looks/would be thought to look like? A possible example being some elderly grandpa with overalls? Maybe in his rocking chair/on a farm?

Are you admitting that open carrying, due to the fact of being visibly armed, has certain inherent elements to it that, if one is not careful, they can face unnecessary problems?
 
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Think this through: you and your buddy are going to rob a gas station. You take a quick look around and see a police officer walk in. Do you shoot him in the head as your first move, or complete your purchase, walk outside, reassess, and maybe try again in 10 minutes? What if that isn't a cop that walked in but a biker with a 1911 on his hip, or a trucker with a big 'ol revolver. What changes? Your goal is to "make crime pay," and that means not getting into a gunfight when all you want to do is steal $700 easy dollars. You wait until it's safer, or you pick another location.
Absolutely true. It can work out that way.

But if there are two criminals, and one of them initiates the action before either notices the armed citizen, it may not work out that way. The game will already be afoot. Too late to wait or go elsewhere.

A bigger concern for me is the opportunist in line behind me, and the biggest is the anti-gunner who panics and reacts irrationally.
 
This post is not intended to bash open carry/open carriers, call for open carry to be outlawed, or anything of that sort. Again, it's ultimately my personal perspective and how I think about/see open carry.

You're saying this in post #2, but then you're asking people to justify their reasoning or willingness to open carry. Asking why you open carry here and not there. That sort of thing.

It's like you're chasing/fishing for an opposing view to debate.


I think that's where the "live and let live" crowd gets off the bus. Respectfully, I am not sure where this thread is even going at this point. Assuming the goal here isn't to "convert" anyone...
 
Ehh.... I'm definitely gonna try to be careful with this replying to this comment. And I'd urge you to be careful too.

Anyways, are you saying that open carry is riskier for "certain people", or people that look a certain way? Is it a safe assumption that there is a stigma to how the average "open carrier" looks/would be thought to look like? A possible example being some elderly grandpa with overalls? Maybe in his rocking chair/on a farm?

Are you admitting that open carrying, due to the fact of being visibly armed, has certain inherent elements to it that, if one is not careful, they can face unnecessary problems?
I didn't say any of that, those are words you are putting in my mouth. Despite your urging, I don't see any reasons whatsoever to be "careful" with my response. What I was attempting to say, is that folks that I encounter, have more reactions of concern from seeing other certain stereotypes in a gas station, than when they see me carrying openly. Whether it is politically right or wrong, it is real life. No different than how folks react when they see a Rottweiler or Pit Bull running at them as compared to a Dachshund or Beagle. Nor did I try to induce any image of what the "average open carrier" looks/would be thought to look like. I am far from average and am not an example of anything. Only real examples I see here, are of ignorance.
 
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