Why is Noveske so expensive comparing to the other brands

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Well, as far as opinions go, I'll answer your question. I haven't priced a Noveske or a Daniel Defense, for that matter, in a long time; but I know their prices are outrageous. Is a Noveske worth it's price tag? No, absolutely not. Daniel Defense? I think their prices are a bit over inflated, but yes, they are good rifles and aren't too over priced.

Why do these companies get to charge so much? Because of the name and what it means. You know, or should be able to know, that some of the best parts available were used in putting together the AR.

The most important parts, the barrel and bolt carrier groups are top grade. The barrels are cold hammer forged and chrome lined (not for accuracy, but longevity). The bolt and carrier groups and made of 8620 (I believe) steel and Carpenter 158 steel, respectively and then are treated. Heat treatment, shot peening, magnetic particle inspection, high pressure testing, blah, blah, blah.

As for the other stuff, well, 7075 rather than 6061 buffer tubes, upper and lower receivers (7075) are to spec, which means that the holes are the size they are supposed to be and where they're supposed to be. Gas tubes are higher quality. Springs and pins are less likely to fail. Steel gas blocks and so on. For every part for which there is a lesser quality part that could be used, the more expensive quality part is used.

Will all of this mean anything to you? I don't know. How much will you be shooting it? If it's going to be a closet queen and you might put 1000 rounds a year through it, you'll likely be well served by a basic model from Palmetto State Armory for less than $1000. Actually, I've seen PSA firearms run their butts off. Of course, I've seen some screwed up stuff come from PSA, but they took care of it in good fashions.

If you're gonna shoot it a lot, my first choices, if I was going to buy a rifle, would be either a Daniel Defense or a Bravo Company. The Bravo Company is definitely worth the price. The DD is a bit overpriced. The Noveske is absolutely as good, but over priced. I'm just not aware of anything the Criterion barrel (I think) that Noveske uses or their bolt groups will do that Bravo Company or DD won't.

If you think that spending a large amount of money means that it won't break, you're wrong. Anything mechanical that is used, and sometimes not used, needs to be maintained. Springs need to be checked, gas rings need to be replaced, ejectors and their springs, extractors and their springs, bolts need to be checked for wear.

If you have an unlimited amount of funds, get a Noveske. I'd do it because I'd know I'm getting quality and the money doesn't mean anything.

If you have a budget and are trying to get something you can rely on, don't forget, you will also needs mags and ammo for practice. Does the rifle you're looking at come with open/iron sights? If not, you'll need those and they aren't cheap. How about the red dot? I hope you aren't going to be one of those guys that buys an expensive rifle and then puts a $100 optic on it. I run a 1.5X ACOG and that cost more than it cost me to build my rifle. A bullet proof red dot (well, as bullet proof as they can be), will run you $500+.

My point is that the actual firearm is but one element of the equipment that you'll need. If you're on a budget, spend wisely. You'd be much better served with a $1500 rifle with a good quality red dot than you would be with a $2000+ rifle with inferior sights. If your sight goes out, the rifle is almost useless.
I absolutely agree with you. The first thing to clarify is I don't have unlimited funds for the rifle ;-) But I do know I need quality optics with it. Before I knew nothing about red dot, I did look at ones at $200 range. But now I am looking at Eotech XPS2/XPS3, or an Aimpoint Pro.

Since I decide to have a 16" length barrel, the Noveske I am interested is Gen 3 N4 Light Recce NSR or NQR, both with cold-hammer-forged barrels. I also looked at the Daniel Defense DDM4 V7 with Cold-hammer-forged chrome-lined 16” barrel ($1650). But I don't know about Bravo Company. Do you have any suggestions on Bravo Company with similar specs? Thanks.
 
Buy the AR that fits your budget. The most important parts are the trigger and barrel. I can replace both for a reasonable price.
 
If you don't want to build, you still don't have to settle for something non custom.

1. Select any complete lower assembly. You might have already seen completed lowers at your LGS. They're getting smarter about that.
2. Order any BCM upper, Bolt Carrier Group, and buffer, online.
3. Snap it all together.

Quality of the lower rarely matters. Spend extra on the upper and BCG.
 
Noveske makes kind of a boutique rifle. Very nice well made rifles. I had a basic N4 but ended up selling it because it wasn't doing anything my other "basic" rifles couldn't do and I sold it to fund a precision rifle. Don't get me wrong, it was a fantastic rifle but I had other good rifles as well and wanted the most money to help fund the bolt gun. After John died the company had some drama and several people left and started their own companies. Since then they dont have the following they used to.

Noveske has several models under 2k and Im not sure what rifle you are looking at that has a carbine gas, unless you are looking at a short barrel.

But for 2200 Id be shopping for a Knights Armament. Their rifles have legit upgrades like their E3 bolt.

If all you are wanting is a good defensive rifle, there are much cheaper options that are every bit as good of a fighting rifle. BCM, Sons Of Liberty Gunworks (SOLGW), Sionics, Daniel Defense... can all be had for 1000-1500 bucks and serve you very well. Military Arms Channel is currently doing a long term test on a 1300ish dollar BCM. They are firing the rifle without cleaning or adding more lubricant to see how long it will last without malfunctioning. I think they are past the 7000 round mark right now.
Looked around a little bit, Knights Armament is more expensive than Noveske...
 
Go over to Bravo Company's website and look for something that you like. It's all quality stuff. Even their "standard" barrels are nice. Just not hammer forged.

As mentioned, you could just grab just about any run of the mill complete lower receiver, as long as it's not so sub standard that it's made of 6061 rather than 7075, but I haven't seen anything like that in a long time. Many local gun shops sell these from about $150. Some common ones that will get the job done are Anderson Manufacturing and Aero. Both quality pieces.

The most important parts of the AR are the barrel and bolt carrier group. Everything else in the rifle are a part of the support system for those two things.

Then find yourself an upper online and have it shipped to your home. Just slap them together.

This is my latest build. So far, 1200 rounds without a hitch...https://photos.app.goo.gl/Na2FdsAJSbrJjTiaA

I built the upper around a Daniel Defense upper and I build the lower around a Spike's Tactical. The only thing special about the lower group is the trigger. Geissele SSA-E. They sell for about $225 and worth every penny.
 
Well, as far as opinions go, I'll answer your question. I haven't priced a Noveske or a Daniel Defense, for that matter, in a long time; but I know their prices are outrageous. Is a Noveske worth it's price tag? No, absolutely not. Daniel Defense? I think their prices are a bit over inflated, but yes, they are good rifles and aren't too over priced.

Why do these companies get to charge so much? Because of the name and what it means. You know, or should be able to know, that some of the best parts available were used in putting together the AR.

The most important parts, the barrel and bolt carrier groups are top grade. The barrels are cold hammer forged and chrome lined (not for accuracy, but longevity). The bolt and carrier groups and made of 8620 (I believe) steel and Carpenter 158 steel, respectively and then are treated. Heat treatment, shot peening, magnetic particle inspection, high pressure testing, blah, blah, blah.

As for the other stuff, well, 7075 rather than 6061 buffer tubes, upper and lower receivers (7075) are to spec, which means that the holes are the size they are supposed to be and where they're supposed to be. Gas tubes are higher quality. Springs and pins are less likely to fail. Steel gas blocks and so on. For every part for which there is a lesser quality part that could be used, the more expensive quality part is used.

Will all of this mean anything to you? I don't know. How much will you be shooting it? If it's going to be a closet queen and you might put 1000 rounds a year through it, you'll likely be well served by a basic model from Palmetto State Armory for less than $1000. Actually, I've seen PSA firearms run their butts off. Of course, I've seen some screwed up stuff come from PSA, but they took care of it in good fashions.

If you're gonna shoot it a lot, my first choices, if I was going to buy a rifle, would be either a Daniel Defense or a Bravo Company. The Bravo Company is definitely worth the price. The DD is a bit overpriced. The Noveske is absolutely as good, but over priced. I'm just not aware of anything the Criterion barrel (I think) that Noveske uses or their bolt groups will do that Bravo Company or DD won't.

If you think that spending a large amount of money means that it won't break, you're wrong. Anything mechanical that is used, and sometimes not used, needs to be maintained. Springs need to be checked, gas rings need to be replaced, ejectors and their springs, extractors and their springs, bolts need to be checked for wear.

If you have an unlimited amount of funds, get a Noveske. I'd do it because I'd know I'm getting quality and the money doesn't mean anything.

If you have a budget and are trying to get something you can rely on, don't forget, you will also needs mags and ammo for practice. Does the rifle you're looking at come with open/iron sights? If not, you'll need those and they aren't cheap. How about the red dot? I hope you aren't going to be one of those guys that buys an expensive rifle and then puts a $100 optic on it. I run a 1.5X ACOG and that cost more than it cost me to build my rifle. A bullet proof red dot (well, as bullet proof as they can be), will run you $500+.

My point is that the actual firearm is but one element of the equipment that you'll need. If you're on a budget, spend wisely. You'd be much better served with a $1500 rifle with a good quality red dot than you would be with a $2000+ rifle with inferior sights. If your sight goes out, the rifle is almost useless.
Could you provide a link for the 1.5X ACOG? I looked around and only found Trijicon ACOG 3.5X and 4X. Thanks.
 
^This ...

I have a Noveske and it’s been my go to AR for a really long time. It’s a Recce.

Today I’d go with DD or BCM for a new one if I were a new AR buyer. While that one is still very good, a new Noveske’s doesn’t really offer anything that you can’t get with those two for less money.
Yes, I may choose DD DDM4 V7. Could you tell me the model for BCM?
 
Go over to Bravo Company's website and look for something that you like. It's all quality stuff. Even their "standard" barrels are nice. Just not hammer forged.

As mentioned, you could just grab just about any run of the mill complete lower receiver, as long as it's not so sub standard that it's made of 6061 rather than 7075, but I haven't seen anything like that in a long time. Many local gun shops sell these from about $150. Some common ones that will get the job done are Anderson Manufacturing and Aero. Both quality pieces.

The most important parts of the AR are the barrel and bolt carrier group. Everything else in the rifle are a part of the support system for those two things.

Then find yourself an upper online and have it shipped to your home. Just slap them together.

This is my latest build. So far, 1200 rounds without a hitch...https://photos.app.goo.gl/Na2FdsAJSbrJjTiaA

I built the upper around a Daniel Defense upper and I build the lower around a Spike's Tactical. The only thing special about the lower group is the trigger. Geissele SSA-E. They sell for about $225 and worth every penny.
Wow, this is awesome! Ok, let me do some homework first :)
 
Yes, I may choose DD DDM4 V7. Could you tell me the model for BCM?

I know that Primary Arms sells complete rifles. Bravo Company only sells complete uppers and parts on their website.

I can't tell you which model. It's a matter of what you want. Go to Primaryarms.com and take a look at what they have from Bravo Company. I have no idea what is going to appeal to you.

Here's a link to something similar at Primary Arms...https://www.primaryarms.com/bravo-company-manufacturing-recce-16-mcmr-5.56-nato-rifle

Here's a link to Trijicon's website page for the TA44...https://www.trijicon.com/products/product-family/trijicon-acog-TA44

Google is your friend.
 
I recently just bought another BCM before the recent craziness.

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Bought a BCM BCG and a Raptor CH from Brownells. Pulled a set of Troy H&K style BUIS off another one I was selling ... done.
The prices then were slightly less (about $40-$50), but not by a huge amount.

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Still waiting on a sling (Slingster from a Ferro Concepts, it’s using a MagPul MS-something that all new AR’s seem to get stuck with) and deciding on an optic.

Just saying, that’s the route I just went with. The Noveske is the route I went a decade ago.
 
Rolex stainless sports watches are so highly desired that people get on waiting lists to pay more than the MSRP for them. We’re talking about prices over $10K. Does anyone think they are more accurate than the $80 Seiko I’m wearing right now? Or even more durable?

At a certain point you stop paying for quality and start paying for reputation. Where is that price point for AR pattern rifles? My guess is that it’s probably somewhere around $1000-$1200.
 
OP, may have been addressed already but starting with an intended purpose and ballpark budget may help you narrow down the infinite amount of choices!
What do you plan to use the AR for? Home defense, range toy, take carbine classes and run it hard, competition, duty use, or Try and fit multiple roles?

what’s your budget? Do you want to spend around $1k, Over $1,500, north of $2k? There are many great options around the $1k mark. Personally, I’d take a hard look at BCM, SOLGW (sons of liberty gun works), American Defense manufacturing, etc.

then you have accessories to budget for, which goes back to the intended purpose and most importantly what works for you, it make take some trial and error.

My rifle set up consists of a BCM 16” mid length upper with their fluted enhanced barrel and key mod rail, an aero precision complete lower with Magpul grip and trigger guard, B5 bravo stock, Magpul sling, streamlight pro tac rail mount light, trijicon MRO in a American defense QD mount, DD fixed front sight and Troy folding rear.

is it the perfect rifle for every application? No but it fit in my budget and fills my intended purposes reliably.

hope this helps some and if you wish to discuss in further detail how and why the rifle is set up the way it is feel free to PM me!
 
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Aero is a prime manufacturer= meaning they are one of half a dozen forgers of the Milspec stuff , their stuff is uniformly good and an be had on sale often . They are a good base to start with to add the goodies to. I like ACOGs , just remember the tritium capsules don't last forever and in my own experience nothing is worth paying a super high premium for and being told it's not worth renewing the capsule. Get the new Trigicon battery powered ones some of which also have ambient light tubes which make them super brite (yes most tritium ones have light tubes, but when the tritium goes dim in 6 years you don't have the illumination you bought the sight for :( )
 
The name “Noveske” reeks of Soviet Block Cold War intrigue, James Bond, 1960’s nuclear war, duck and cover, East Berlin and the Wall, Hammer and Sickle, etc - that has got to be worth a grand in itself.
 
The name “Noveske” reeks of Soviet Block Cold War intrigue, James Bond, 1960’s nuclear war, duck and cover, East Berlin and the Wall, Hammer and Sickle, etc - that has got to be worth a grand in itself.
They’re also known for accurate guns that work well and last a long time, hot chicks, campy 80’s style videos, tattoos and beer. That really is worth a grand.
 
RST, KAC is a bit more expensive than Noveske, but that's what I'd get in that price range.

For a good, more affordable AR, take a look at Sionics. Good customer service and they use quality parts. Sionics used Will Larson, a well known and respected armorer (RIP), as a consultant to get their ARs right. (I believe Sons Of Liberty Gun Works also used Will Larson as a consultant.)
 
I may still go for a Noveske if I could find one in stock and on sale. This will be the first AR15 for me and I like quality weapon for home defense.

"I need to buy my first car to drive to work. . . I'm going to buy a new Bentley because I like the quality."

By all means buy the Ultra-Lux Noveske if you can afford it, but don't tell yourself that you're buying it for quality. You could buy 2-3 high quality rifles for the price, or one rifle and a carbine class to wring it out.
 
If I were strictly limited to purchasing a hard use AR, SOLGW at $1,200 make far more sense to me than paying double. I’ve read a fair bit about them and purchased parts for my past two ARs. Count me impressed.

I’m also a fan of Aero Precision having purchased a complete upper, multiple stripped lowers, barrels (Ballistic Advantage), rails, and small parts. For a range AR that looks as good as it shoots they offer a compelling mix of quality and reliability.

My third choice, (by order of cost) is PSA. I own a complete lower, two complete uppers, and multiple small parts from fire control groups to receiver extensions. In my opinion no other current manufacturer can touch their dollar to quality level for a complete rifle. If I weren’t having kids assemble inexpensive $700 blasters to learn on, my alternative would be a half dozen PSAs.

There are scores of good quality ARs on the market these days with companies competing for dollars and the above are just three examples of those raising the bar while keeping cost down to earth.

These are all recommendations based on my ownership and use. Once an interest takes hold you begin to form opinions on most everything AR related. If you’re fortunate it will guide you to practical, informed decisions and a rifle or twelve that you trust and enjoy that meets your needs. Corvettes don’t haul horse trailers and most trucks won’t impress in the quarter mile, but they each serve a purpose.


My most recent project, SOLGW.
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Same AR, equipped with Aero hand guard and Ballistic Advantage barrel.
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My current Aero project awaiting parts in transit.
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PSA complete upper and lower.
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OP, may have been addressed already but starting with an intended purpose and ballpark budget may help you narrow down the infinite amount of choices!
What do you plan to use the AR for? Home defense, range toy, take carbine classes and run it hard, competition, duty use, or Try and fit multiple roles?
Home defense and range toy

what’s your budget? Do you want to spend around $1k, Over $1,500, north of $2k? There are many great options around the $1k mark. Personally, I’d take a hard look at BCM, SOLGW (sons of liberty gun works), American Defense manufacturing, etc.
My budget on the rifle is 2k to 3k. This is based on no knowledge on AR15 and would like a quality weapon. If I can save money on a rifle with equal quality or even better, why not? I suppose everyone earns their money in a hard way, especially during this pandemic.

then you have accessories to budget for, which goes back to the intended purpose and most importantly what works for you, it make take some trial and error.
The Noveske comes with Troy folding iron sights, I will need a red dot. My budget for a red dot is around $600. The price for Aimpoint Pro is around $450, and Eotech XPS2 is about $550. I am not sure whether it is worth to spend additional $100 to get a night version capacity yet. If I could save money on the rifle, I can of course use that money on a optics. Then I will have more options, such as a Trijicon ACOG.

My rifle set up consists of a BCM 16” mid length upper with their fluted nhanced barrel and key mod rail, an aero precision complete lower with Magpul grip and trigger guard, B5 bravo stock, Magpul sling, streamlight pro tac rail mount light, trijicon MRO in a American defense QD mount, DD fixed front sight and Troy folding rear.
Great, thanks. Trijicon RMR Type 2 Red-Dot Sight is also very light and sleek. Not sure whether it is as good as Aimpoint Pro.

is it the perfect rifle for every application? No but it fit in my budget and fills my intended purposes reliably.

hope this helps some and if you wish to discuss in further detail how and why the rifle is set up the way it is feel free to PM me!
 
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Watched this last night. Old tour from when John Noveske was alive.

This is around the time period I bought mine.

 
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