cdb1
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Count me in the irrational dislike crowd. I was introduced to one before I was big enough for the gun to fit correctly. Since then I have shot ruffles with way more recoil and still hate itAn irrational dislike for the venerable Aught Six?
A completely reasonable hatred of twenty four hundredths of an inch?
A person with a lisp, like my sister, wouldn't have to say six?
More likely, the rifle they wanted was chambered in it.
If you like it, get it! Be different, LIVE!
Why would one choose a 280 over a 30 06?
I have a fascination with this caliber for some reason, even though I've never fired one or known any buddies to have one.
My 06 is a great gun, it was a can't go wrong caliber and price.
Lately this question won't leave my head!
If history was fair, the .280 should have totally de-throned the .270 & .30-06 over the last 60 years.
............ if you had a satisfactory .270 or .30-06, there was little reason to trade, but if you were starting from scratch, the 7mm offered some advantages.
my real love affair with the 7mm’s have been 7x57, 7RM, 284 Shehane, and 7-08, in order of preference and passion
"You’ll find out that there is virtually no practicle gap anywhere in cartridge performance. Somebody somewhere has already made it. If you have a burning desire for something that floats your particular boat, have at it. It in real world hunting real critters, it’s gonna make no difference."
Yep. That said, I think it would be a boring old world if we didn't have all these slightly different calibers to play around with and argue the the merits of each. It's no different than "My Chevy is better, faster, etc. than your Ford/ whatever conversations.
It's better than a 270 on bigger big game
DM
It is? They seem to pretty much equally kill any size game to me. What a .270 will do, so will the .280 and vise versa.
This should be the start of every hunters safety course. So many people forget that. Or they're reading distance is defined in terms like (way out there).Based on my CMP Talladega experiences, I think 300 yards is a long distance for ethical hunting. I absolutely know 600 yards shots at animals would be unethical for me, because of the number of rounds it has taken to get a shot to register. How many shooters have 300, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000 yard demonstrated zero's? Those that don't, they make their best guess based on 100 yard zero's and book values. Book values seldom are the actual come ups.
I also see, even at 300 yards, how much a bullet drifts with little changes in wind and position. I have shot enough in cold and hot conditions to see the point of impact change at all distances. In cold weather, I am dressed in layers, that changes the stock weld, and, I think, stiffens me, so the point of impact is always different. In hot weather, my heart rate goes way the heck up. No one ever shoots as well in 90 F weather as they do in 50 F weather. When you shoot in a quilted coat with sling, 50-60 degrees in the shade is heaven. I die in the summer sunlite. The NRA target display is either F Class or NRA two MOA target, and you know, I really doubt any of those promoting 500, 600, 700, 800, 1000 yard shots have ever demonstrated a NRA two MOA ten ring cold bore shot at those distances, or an X ring cold bore shot.
I have a three hundred yard cold bore: Same ammunition, had the zero's from a previous session.
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Go from one ammunition type to another, and the point of impact changes. So does group size. Elevation is 3 1/4 MOA up, windage 1/2 MOA left
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This factory ammunition was unimpressive for accuracy at distance, and even though elevation is 4.0 MOA up, look how far the group is below the ten ring.
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At 600 yards the NRA two MOA ten ring is 12 inches and the X ring is 6 inches. In NRA competition, you get two sighters before you go for record. But all you are doing is punching paper. Animals are not video arcade targets, poor shot placement creates pain and suffering in a helpless animal.
At 300 yards, what is the difference in the size of the wound channel and penetration between a 280 and 30-06? What about 500 yards, 600 yards? How many shots can you keep within an eight inch circle at those distances? If that is too small, how about a 12 inch circle? How likely are you hit dead center with a cold bore shot, with either caliber?
Calibers are getting to be a fashion statement. Plaid was so last year. This year the big question is, "whether Hot Pink is about to eclipse Millennial Pink."
I'm curious - among those, the 7x57 and 7-08 are ballistically the closest, yet they flank the ends of your preference list. Why do you prefer one (7x57?) over the other? 7x57 handloads can push a heavier bullet a tad harder?
In MY testing of big game bullets for bigger big game, the 7mm 175NP out performed anything in .277" I could buy...It is? They seem to pretty much equally kill any size game to me. What a .270 will do, so will the .280 and vise versa.
There is only .007" difference between the diameter of a 270 bullet and a 280 bullet. Of course, the 270 pressure spec is 5 KPSI higher than that of the 280. But actual pressure tolerance of the two cartridges is the same. They are ballistic twins.