Varminterror
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Obviously you're a 10/22 hater.
Ever own one?
If so ever own one besides the basic carbine?
Really sad you picked that particular scab... enduring thread derailment in 3... 2... 1...
Obviously you're a 10/22 hater.
Ever own one?
If so ever own one besides the basic carbine?
Obviously you're a 10/22 hater.
Ever own one?
If so ever own one besides the basic carbine?
Something I'd be interested to find out is if there is a difference between the two camps (60 vs 10/22) on whether they use a scope or iron sights. I'm a minimalist myself, and choose to shoot bare stock rifles with irons, and I prefer the Marlin Model 60. It seems that the 10/22 would lend itself better to optics use, but it may not matter at all. What say you guys?
Something I'd be interested to find out is if there is a difference between the two camps (60 vs 10/22) on whether they use a scope or iron sights. I'm a minimalist myself, and choose to shoot bare stock rifles with irons, and I prefer the Marlin Model 60. It seems that the 10/22 would lend itself better to optics use, but it may not matter at all. What say you guys?
Something I'd be interested to find out is if there is a difference between the two camps (60 vs 10/22) on whether they use a scope or iron sights. I'm a minimalist myself, and choose to shoot bare stock rifles with irons, and I prefer the Marlin Model 60. It seems that the 10/22 would lend itself better to optics use, but it may not matter at all. What say you guys?
It seems that the 10/22 would lend itself better to optics use
The Winchester 94-.22 was also a great .22 lever action. All steel, first class walnut stocks, very reliable, and available in the XTR machine cut checkered version. I never see them any more.
My Model 60 has a scope, a scope heaven forbid that cost as much as the rifle.
A Chevy Corvette will kick a Ferrari's butt at a fraction of the price. And a Mustang won the last IMSA race beating both Ferrari and McLaren in the GT class. But I see your point and grant you that if you consider them the base engine economy models.Yugo or Geo. That’s kind of a condescending remark. Both have been out of business for 20+ years, and for good reason. Ford vs Chevy is a more proper comparison. Both still made. Both are common dependable cars. Both get you where your going. You just don’t compare them to a McLaren or a Ferrari.
My real bet is your rings and scope cost more than your 60 did.
I own two Ruger 10/22s, all this discussion does is make me want to buy a Model 60 (or maybe a Model 70). Don't get me wrong, I really like the 10/22, just would like to see first hand what Model 60 faithful like so much.
I have both and the Ruger is far more accurate, small sample. I shoot small sporter competitions, Guys commonly show up with both Rugers and Marlins as well as Savages and all kinds of rimfire rifles. The Rugers are noticeably better than the Marlins most of the time. I always shoot a CZ and beat both by a good margin usually but a stock Ruger almost tied me once. I have no idea where you that out of a hundred the Marlins are better because on the actual witnessed measured range competition it is clearly the opposite. Maybe true of current production but I guess 100 rifles is a small sample out of millions. I do know that either one varies a lot. They are plinkers. If a Marlin doesn't shoot that's it. If a Ruger doesn't shoot the upgrades are cheap and easy. Although if it were me I would just get a better rifle which I have done. I am sure willing to shoot against either one which I do. Neither one stock is all that impressive unless you get one of those rare old ones that shoots pretty well. Then you're still not that great.
This is like arguing over a Yugo or Geo being faster. Really. Either one is good at bouncing tin cans and shooting squirrels out of trees at 50 feet. Competitions are best left to your betters.
And this is what these threads always dive down to.....if anyone says anything bad about the good ole 1022 boy oh boy does the glee club sure come out in full force of them.
I don't think quite as rabid a bunch.And the Model 60 fan boys don't?
Give me a break ...
Something I'd be interested to find out is if there is a difference between the two camps (60 vs 10/22) on whether they use a scope or iron sights. I'm a minimalist myself, and choose to shoot bare stock rifles with irons, and I prefer the Marlin Model 60. It seems that the 10/22 would lend itself better to optics use, but it may not matter at all. What say you guys?
I own both. I've had two 10/22's and one Marlin 60. Out of 2 other buddies there's four more 10/22's and three more 60's and we've shot together quite a bit and done a lot of comparisons. When everything's stock each of the Marlin's shoot more accurately than any of the Ruger's, and for that reason we all put the scopes on our Marlin's for squirrel hunting. Some are just a little more accurate, some are much more accurate. When we take a .22 with irons rabbit hunting it's more a wash, I like my 10/22, one of my buddy's takes a Marlin, and the other takes a Remington Speedmaster.
As I said, out of that sample size the Marlins are always more accurate. On the flip side, Ruger's can go far longer without being cleaned and stay reliable. Once there's a lot of gunk in the action Marlins seem to start having trouble much sooner. Both my buddies have noticed the same with their Ruger's and Marlin's. You do have to keep the magazines clean with the Ruger's though. It takes a LOT of shooting to get them gritty, but every now and then they need sprayed out with solvent over a trash can, and in 20 years I've had to take them apart once for a more thorough cleaning.
I think a great deal of it depends on the ammo.....we all know 22 ammo is not all cut from the same cloth.
What I THINK happens is guns get broken in (whatever that means) with bottom shelf ammo.....then we migrate to perhaps at best 2-3 different flavors of 22 and call it a day. It takes a special kind of idiot (me) to walk out back with a dozen different types of 22 ranging from slow to fast, round nose, hollow, copper, lead....bla bla bla, and tries to see what works best in a given gun.
I always hated doing this at a public range....usually the stops and starts are at the wrong time, people looking over your shoulder, questions....just a pain in the butt.....now that I can walk out back and do this I can make a day of it and really enjoy myself.
I went off into the weeds with that as I was playing with different ammo I found them to be different in the junk they left behind....and it also varied by lot....for a while one of my marlins just loved golden bullet, but that changed a couple years ago....but man that stuff was filthy and hard on extraction....but it sure did put the little holes just where I wanted. Another would only eat CCI everything else looked like a shot gun pattern.....really picky eaters 22s can be.
Anyway on the rugers, some of that really dirty stuff you can feel in the mag after as little as 50 rounds....if you poke it with a knife you can feel the grit in there as you try to turn it....if it had issues I would hose it down then when I went back home I would take the mag down.....some of the "good" 22 I bet you could run 1000 rounds in it and never notice any gook in there.....the gun my kid has I doubt the mags have ever been apart....and some of them are OLD.