BUG Out Bag part 2

[45R]

So you've got your BOB, 20 30 Rounds AR mags ready to go, the 870 with 100 rounds of Slugs in a Bando, NV goggles, sidearm with food and medical supplies ready to move out.

You've been spending way too much time on THR and your aerobic capacity has gone down the creek due to deconditioning.

Your in the middle of major city and sudden SHTF. A military experiment went terribly wrong and an EMP just went off 10 minutes ago and you have no communication with anyone. Cars, Motorcycles and ATVs are worthless. If this isnt your worst nightmare the weather has been unpredicatable with heavy rains, 50 MPH winds and its starts to hail.

The good news is that your alive....the bad news is that you've got an injuried family member and your plan A of bugging out is worthless. For whatever reasons you've got an hour to get out and the freeways are not an option.

What do you do?

 

[BerettaNut92]

Hmm...I used to have a cart in the back of my vehicle. I could use 550 cord to strap my man down onto the cart, put on my BOB and wheel them out of the danger area?

 

[Joe Demko]

Cry like a little girl? No, that's not it... Since I'm operating under the burden of being out of shape, first step is to ditch or cache the excess ordnance. The shotgun and shells are gone. The NV goggles are gone. Possibly the sidearm, but definitely any ammo for it over and above two extra magazines. Depending on how I am carrying them, I'd ditch some of the AR mags too, though I might keep the rounds from them. Since the only family member I have is my daughter, who is two, then I ditch or cache enough of the food and medical supplies for her to ride in the backpack and we/I start walking.

To tell you the real truth, though, as screwed up as you describe the situation, especially that weather, I probably would elect not to bug out at all.

 

[Sportcat]

Golgo,

I agree. I'd look for the first (safest) place to hunker down.

 

[Glamdring]

EMG? Do you mean EMP?

I am almost never in the middle of a big city, unless visiting friends. If visiting friends would probably just stay with them.

Air. Shelter. Water. Food.

Air isn't a problem in this situation. Shelter is easy if near my car or any building. Here in MN water is everywhere. Have some food in the car. And BOB pack.

Honestly your SHTF scenario is just about a non problem. If you mean EMP destroyed electronics and such that would cause some headaches to get restarted. Otherwise less of problem than a bad winter storm or blizzard here.

I don't understand why you would want to bug out anyway? What happens after an hour? If there are 50mph winds you want to stay in shelter.

I am not in bad shape, if I had to I could WALK from St. Paul out to my home in a day or two. It is only 50 or 60 miles (figure 3mph times 20 hours that would be easy pace, not pushing or straining).

 

[BerettaNut92]

The good news is that your alive....the bad news is that you've got an injuried family member and your plan A of bugging out is worthless. For whatever reasons you've got an hour to get out and the freeways are not an option.

I get the feeling this is a hypothetical (duh) and he's looking for ideas, creativity, etc. C'mon guys, quit arguing and play along

 

[MaterDei]

Bikes

All my family members have bicycles. I also have one of those bicycle trailers that hold two toddlers. The wounded family member would go in the trailer with whatever BOB gear I could add given space/weight limitations. Given that there are still 7 of us healthy we could split the remaining BOB load amoungst us in backpacks and hit the road. I have access to 55 acres of land with fresh water and power about 50 miles north of the city, we would head there to rest, heal, and plan our next move.

The only potential glitch in this plan is the weather you describe but given weather patterns here in S.E. Texas we would just wait 10 minutes before leaving and the weather will have changed.

Blue Skies,

MaterDei

 

[45R]

Has anyone thought of an exit plan via water? What modifications would have you have to make to your BOB if you need can exit with a river, stream or lake?

 

[fix]

Bikes. Good plan, and one I share with you. Just make sure they are sturdy enough to carry the rider +60-100 lbs of gear. Wide handlebars for controlability while topheavy (wearing said gear).

 

[BerettaNut92]

45R, if you remember the motorcycle/semi chase scene in Terminator 2 you've seen what Southern California rivers look like. No plans for waterborne escape...and too dangerous for the aforementioned injured family member.

My CRV is amphibious but you said the vehicles are useless

 

[VaughnT]

If the only option is to hike out, start humping it. I'll cache the SG and ammo. Keep the .223 ammo but lose all but three mags. Same for pistol.

Food is the major concern and I would keep everything that was nutrient dense. Water isn't an issue b/c I have a filter and can drink from puddles.

NVG? Gone in a heartbeat. Same with flares and such as I'll want to stay hidden and rely on stealth and my wits for security/rescue.

First thing I would do is make for the nearest tract of wild land, even if that meant central park, nyc. Plenty of cover and few folks would know how to live or be comfortable in the woods. I'm not walking fifty miles to anywhere because I don't have anywhere I need to go...other than to the nearest safe haven.

Find shelter from the elements. Build secure fire. Hunker down and wait it out.

 

[fix]

NVG? Gone in a heartbeat. Same with flares and such as I'll want to stay hidden and rely on stealth and my wits for security/rescue.

Ummm...NV provides a level of stealth unlike anything else, other than not moving. Not to mention the ability to see in the dark while hidden. I'd throw out several things before I'd toss the goggles.

 

[Sportcat]

NVG to me = weight, bulkiness, batteries (which could be used for a flashlight)

 

[SapperLeader]

While nvg's are great for identifying targets and other nasty things that go bump in the woods at night, my unit tends to put individuals with good natural nightvision on point, and just wear the nvgs around the neck. We tend to move faster and quieter without them. Im often point man, and while Ill use nvgs to scan potential danger areas, I dont use them for woods movement. You tend to miss holes, branches, and all the other lovely objects in your way. I love nvg when Im in a static position, or any time Im not in the woods, but for woods movement, Ill continue to depend on the eyes nature provided and nvgs would be one of the first items Id dump in this scenario.

 

[JShirley]

I dont use them for woods movement. You tend to miss holes, branches, and all the other lovely objects in your way.

Yes! I keep trying to spread the word about the PROBLEMS involved with using NVG. I almost died while wearing PVS-7D's. (Fell 9' into a trench, landed on head.)

NVG is another tool in the tool bag, but no magic charm or bullet. In almost every emergency situation, I'd rather have a poncho liner, poncho, or tarp for the same weight penalty.

John

 

[SapperLeader]

As I said, I love them when in a static position, but if Im moving, thier either in my ruck, or around my neck, never on my head. I too had a bad experience with falling and nvgs. I was carrying the m60, wearing my nods, and fell down into a puddle of mud. I got completely turned around while wearing them and trying to sand back up, and tried walking off a clifflike structure. Luckily my agunner was sticking close, and helped me regain my balance and put me back on the trail. That was the first night I ever wore nvgs on a movement, and actually was the last too. By the time I had fallen down a few more times, and missed branches wacking me in the head, I had them hanging around my neck for the rest of the night.

 

[TechBrute]

If you just gotta hump it out:

The Kifaru Cargo Chair on a Kifaru Marauder.

I'd dump the shotgun and ammo. Sidearm and AR. 4 Mags each. Strip the food down. Minimal meds.

 

[JamisJockey]

All my family members have bicycles.

Good choice, but most trailers arent rated to haul a 200lb person, just two 20lb kids.....However, in a pinch they might work, although if it breaks you're SOL.


And I don't have to worry about being out of shape (see attached pic)....




I'd ditch the shotgun, keep 6 mags for the longgun, 4 mags for the pistol. Ditch some excess gear, and probably use a drag-litter for injured family member.
Oh, and in most metropolitian areas, an hour by foot or bike with an injured person is unlikely....plan C, hunkering down, is probably best....

If you have to must absolutely go, you might need to ditch all but a very light load (1 day of food, water, weapons).

 

[TechBrute]

Yeah, humping would be my LAST ditch move.

 

[45R]

but most trailers arent rated to haul a 200lb person, just two 20lb kids

In that case you can use a skateboard. The injured family member can be pulled around by twine or parachute cord.

You can even use an office chair with wheels to get someone around. Please dont ask me how I know. At work I really have to improvise.

 

[wingnutx]

don't flee, dig in

If an EMP goes off, then society is going to go apeshiznit.

I feel much safer defending my own home than having to deal with threats from any direction out in the open.

 

[BerettaNut92]

wingnutx

If an EMP goes off, then society is going to go apeshiznit. I feel much safer defending my own home than having to deal with threats from any direction out in the open.

Wingnutz, the scenario was evacuating an area and getting home

As for EMP going off, I would have thought so too, but look at how calm the New Yorkers were when the lights went out. I was pleasantly surprised as well

 

[JamisJockey]

After an honest EMP release, nothing that is electrically driven will work. Cars & busses, watches, walkmans, generators....that might drive people to panic.....

 

[yzguy]

get in my carbureted 69 camaro, and drive off.... (no computer chips needed)

If I did not have access to anything motorized, the I guess the bike would be next...

 

[wingnutx]

Skunk-

For whatever reasons you've got an hour to get out

I'm already home. I live in the center of Phoenix.

If I was at work then I'd walk the 5 miles to my house.