Capacity. How much does it matter to you?

How much capacity are you comfortable with for a CCW pistol?

  • 5-6 rounds.

    Votes: 50 39.7%
  • 7-8 rounds.

    Votes: 37 29.4%
  • 10+ rounds if it doesn't print.

    Votes: 39 31.0%

  • Total voters
    126
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For me, 5-6 rounds is usually fine.

I am not a LEO.

For decades I have been a member of the Skedaddle Club. As a general rule, if something bad goes down, if me or mine are not under imminent threat, I will extend and vacate the immediate area ... and then prepare to be a good, observant witness.

If I cannot exit the area, I will quickly seek a defensible position behind cover and shelter in place.

Only if I am truly cornered or faced with no other reasonable option will I engage with my handgun.
 
More is better.

You'll never know what you need until after the event is over.

If I can get away with it, it's an 18+1 P226.
That's my preference.

I work in an office wearing slacks and usually carry a AIWB tucked p239 for 8+1 with a 10 round spare.

Like many have mentioned, the experience of actually needing the gun will really change one's perspective.
 
At a minimum, I won't go out without my plain-jane Glock 17 that's proven itself to be reliable over the last 20+ years and 30,000 rounds...it's just getting 'broke in' at this point. I don't care if it prints or not; it's what I am carrying, come Hell or high water.
 
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First:
Always two magazines. Never carry a revolver but on the range, but I think a reload there also. Must be able to clear stoppages, and must have a clear way to tell, under stress, that you need to slow down and make the next shots count because that's it.


Then:
As much capacity as I can for the available package. Consider not just number of plausible assailants but your ability to shoot under stress, maybe when injured, their ability to take hits, or be behind cover, etc. 3 assailants never means means 3 shots. Could be 1 and they give up, could be 154 to dig them out of cover after the first few break and they keep firing. Carry more.

I always remembered a story (it happened, just cannot remember the names, sorry!) of an NY cop riding the subway in the bad old days, armed with just a 5-shooter and no reloads. An armed gang of 6 comes down the car robbing everyone. Not comfortable shooting it out, he ended up not dead, but permanent disability as a result.
 
Consider the following:
  • Your objective is to stay unhurt, and if you have to shoot, you have to stop an attacker, one way or another. The consequences of failure are apt to be severe.
  • The human body is not a water jug or a steel plate. One has to hit small, parts of the body to do any good. Those parts are small, hidden, and moving. Hitting any of them is only partly a matter of skill; a lot depends on probability. More shots improves the odds.
  • Forget about stopping power". You need penetration and expansion.
  • You will not have the luxury of time for careful aiming. You will have to draw and fire very rapidly. The classic Tueller "drill" gives you a second and a half for the first shot Relying on that one shot would be like filling an inside straight.
  • You should have the skill to land all of your hits in, say, the upper chest area of a target moving at five meters per second, firing fast--but under stress, you will likely not do so under stress.
  • One shot could suffice, or two, or maybe three, but if that doesn't happen, you will not know about it until you have fired more. There will be no time for pausing to assess. That's why LEOs are trained to shoot until the threat goes down.
  • The idea of reloading in the time of a heartbeat without looking at the gun the midst of a sudden attack is, for most people, a pipe dream.
Don't rely on my opinion here. Figure things out for yourself.

Consider how an attack would likely unfold, and contrast the necessary response with shooting at a stationary target at the square range at a rate of one per shot per second.

Consider what it takes to stop an attacker. Study the human anatomy. Massad Ayoob recommends buying a copy of Gray's Anatomy handy, studying it, and keeping it handy for reference.

By all means, read, and reread, Handgun Wounding Factors and Effectiveness, by FBI Special Agent Urey Patrick.

Bask in the day, Colt used to emphasize "that all important sixth shot" when competing with Smith and Wesson. Ads touted "20% more capacity". But when it comes to evaluating the how many may be needed, statistics don't work that way. Should any shots fail to hit effectively, six are more than 20% more likely to suffice than five.

The analysis linked below illustrates why that is true. Study it, and insert your own assumptions. You will undoubtedly come to agree that up to some number,

More is better. You'll never know what you need until after the event is over.

Good luck.

How Many Rounds to Carry

By the way, John's calculations are necessarily somewhat over-simplified, and they are based on the assumption that the defender will know to stop shooting when the assailant has been stopped. As mentioned above, that is not a realistic assumption.
 
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To the folks who think there probability of needing 10+ rounds in the carry gun is such that "they won't leave the house" with less, do you also:

- drive the newest vehicle with the lastest safety features?
- maintain an ideal body mass and healthy diet?
- have an OCD frequency of washing hands?

All of the above have way more probability of impact on your personal life and health than number of rounds in your carry gun, but are not as fun to debate on an internet forum.
 
To the folks who think there probability of needing 10+ rounds in the carry gun is such that "they won't leave the house" with less, do you also:

- drive the newest vehicle with the lastest safety features?
- maintain an ideal body mass and healthy diet?
- have an OCD frequency of washing hands?

All of the above have way more probability of impact on your personal life and health than number of rounds in your carry gun.

Since I'm the only person who said that I guess I should answer.

Do you - drive the newest vehicle with the lastest safety features?

No but I do maintain the car I drive and drive defensively

maintain an ideal body mass and healthy diet?

I have some weight to lose but I am in the gym 5 nights a week and make sure to walk at least 3 miles every night at work. I also eat a healthy diet that is heavy on fruits an vegetables.

have an OCD frequency of washing hands?

At least once an hour.

I've also been completely abstinate from drugs an alcohol for 37 years and tobacco for 25 years

In a monogomous relationship for over 24 years

Sleep at least 8 hours a night.

Drink at least a gallon of water a day

I also don't start conversations with other men's wives in Walmart


Anything else you'd like to know?
 
Capacity-capacity-capacity. What is so magical about the number 10 in regards to minimum capacity. For all we know it could be a WAG other wise known as a "Wild Ass Guess". Why not 11 or 12 or 13 round capacity. I'll use as an example the S&W Shield 9X19mm with a capacity of 8+1=9, there is no magic unless there is "10" that's at the point of absurdity. You are not in the Military or Law enforcement thus what is your odds of being in a gun fight compared to the previously military and law enforcement venues? The vast majority of private citizens are never going to be involved in gunfight, yes there is a chance of that occurrence.
 
Capacity-capacity-capacity. What is so magical about the number 10 in regards to minimum capacity. For all we know it could be a WAG other wise known as a "Wild Ass Guess". Why not 11 or 12 or 13 round capacity.

I reached that number at o-dark-thirty one morning when five crackheads walked out of my apartment building and surrounded me. Nothing happened, they were nice and baked and wanted to look at my dog but I was a little freaked out. It happens I was carrying a Shield when it happened and 9 didn't feel like enough. I bought a 9C by the end of the week and I do carry 13 (most of the time) 10 just happens to be the minimum.

You are not in the Military or Law egnforcement thus what is your odds of being in a gun fight compared to the previously military and law enforcement venues?

I don't care what the odds are I've beat them 3 times. So if it's all the same to you I'll carry what makes me comfortable not what makes you comfortable.

The vast majority of private citizens are never going to be involved in gunfight, yes there is a chance of that occurrence.

Again, I don't care about the vast majority. I care about me.
 
I chose 7-8 rounds because that is what my CCW holds. I'm also comfortable with a revolver. Never carried extra rounds with me except when hiking/hunting in the forest. I just don't feel the need to carry a spare magazine everywhere.
 
I prefer to have >10 rounds in the gun when possible, if for no other reason than it being easy to do in something that has a similar footprint to a J frame. That said, some days I drop down a G43 or an LCP.
 
I have 8 round in my carry weapon and 7 round in a spare magazine. That's 15 rounds. If I can't solve the problem with 15 rounds than we have a REAL problem.
 
You are not in the Military or Law enforcement thus what is your odds of being in a gun fight compared to the previously military and law enforcement venues? The vast majority of private citizens are never going to be involved in gunfight, yes there is a chance of that occurrence.
Thank you for the observations.

What makes you think they are relevant to the question at hand?
 
Since I'm the only person who said that I guess I should answer.

Do you - drive the newest vehicle with the lastest safety features?

No but I do maintain the car I drive and drive defensively

maintain an ideal body mass and healthy diet?

I have some weight to lose but I am in the gym 5 nights a week and make sure to walk at least 3 miles every night at work. I also eat a healthy diet that is heavy on fruits an vegetables.

have an OCD frequency of washing hands?

At least once an hour.

I've also been completely abstinate from drugs an alcohol for 37 years and tobacco for 25 years

In a monogomous relationship for over 24 years

Sleep at least 8 hours a night.

Drink at least a gallon of water a day

I also don't start conversations with other men's wives in Walmart


Anything else you'd like to know?

If you truly do most of the above, then I applaud your lifestyle.

Many (if not most) and in the self defense community focus on gun choice debates to the point of neglecting things that have way more potential effect on their health.

LOL- By the way, what's your handle at DC?
 
I have 8 round in my carry weapon and 7 round in a spare magazine. That's 15 rounds. If I can't solve the problem with 15 rounds than we have a REAL problem.
Should those 8 rounds not suffice, and that day may never come, you would have "a REAL problem" trying tp reload while someone is trying to kill you at close range
 
It's not so much me choosing how many rounds I want to carry,,,
As it is choosing the pistol I want to carry and living with that capacity.

When I'm carrying in my briefcase/satchel,,,
It's a CZ-75b with a 16+1 capacity and a spare 16 round mag.

When I'm wearing a jacket and Levi's,,,
It's a Bersa Thunder 380 with a 8+1 capacity.

When I'm pocket carrying,,,
It's a Ruger LCP with a 6+1 capacity.

Yes, I wish I had more rounds in the Bersa and LCP,,,
But the physics of space can't be over-ridden,,,
Smaller guns mean fewer rounds.

I've often considered a high capacity .22 or .25 over the LCP.

Aarond

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Capacity-capacity-capacity. What is so magical about the number 10 in regards to minimum capacity. For all we know it could be a WAG other wise known as a "Wild Ass Guess". Why not 11 or 12 or 13 round capacity. I'll use as an example the S&W Shield 9X19mm with a capacity of 8+1=9, there is no magic unless there is "10" that's at the point of absurdity. You are not in the Military or Law enforcement thus what is your odds of being in a gun fight compared to the previously military and law enforcement venues? The vast majority of private citizens are never going to be involved in gunfight, yes there is a chance of that occurrence.
10 rounds is two rows in a box of 50, that’s symmetrical. Now you load one in the pipe with a ten round mag you’ve lost the symmetry.

Really these type threads are interesting not because of a “right” answer but because they're taken so seriously.

There always seems to be a need to publicly justify what one carries and how it relates to someone else.
 
Should those 8 rounds not suffice, and that day may never come, you would have "a REAL problem" trying tp reload while someone is trying to kill you at close range
Your allowed to practice that reloading thing too. Practice moving (away) and shooting at the same time too. By the time you're empty you will hopefully be into cover or at least made space to work. Keep moving, shooting, and reloading until you have extricated yourself from the situation with distance or elimination of threats.
 
I kind of fall into a weird crack regarding the poll. I used to carry a 5 shot revolver. But I later found out that a small auto works much better for me for carry. So I picked up an XDs, and with it toped off, it holds 6 rounds with the flush fit magazine.

However I'm not entirely comfortable with that capacity any more for a lot of reasons based on personal observations, and now my primary carry gun is a Sig P938 Legion, which holds 8 when topped off.

But then there is the "I'm going to the city at night?" mindset, and in that scenario I tend to carry 11 or 12 rounds.

Trouble likes to operate in groups, and the dark brings out the worst in people that are trouble, because there are fewer eyes watching. This is true when away from civilization as well, say out in the desert or in the forest. People will ill intent tend to think that if there are fewer eyes around, they can get away with more.
 
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Your allowed to practice that reloading thing too.
And you should.

Practice moving (away) and shooting at the same time too.
Good idea.

By the time your empty you will hopefully be into cover or at least made space to work.
Just how far do you think you would be really be able to move in that time interval?

Keep moving, shooting, and reloading until you have extricated yourself from the situation with distance or elimination of threats.
That sounds to me like fantasy based on imagination.
 
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